The Opioid Epidemic

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  1. al1

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    We should be trying to correct this shit we also should've been quicker to jump on the crack epidemic. Unfortunately if history serves, it will result in longer jail terms in an attempt to fix it like with crack and meth. Doesn't work just kills families.

    War on drugs baby
     
  2. soulfly

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    It's so fucked up it's beyond infuriating.
     
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  4. Mikelangelo

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    How on earth can you be anti-marijuana, the leadership in this country is fucked and it happened long before we got this shithead president.
     
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    It truly is an amazing substitute to opioids with nearly zero side effects. Drug companies just fucking hate the fact you can get better pain relief from something you can just plant in the ground.
     
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  6. Mikelangelo

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    This is a far more complicated issue though it shouldn't be.
     
  7. Arkadin

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    Drugs predominantly abused by white people won't get the same reaction as crack cocaine
     
  8. soulfly

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    Man. That's fucking awful.

    Had a deep ass discussion last month with someone I've known throughout the years. Had no idea he was in a heavy heroin addiction for 3+ years. Like he tended bar at a place I frequented and I never would have known despite him assuring me he was high on heroin most every time I saw him there. He got narcan'd and woke up in an emergency room one day and for now, at least, he's been sober for the last three months or so. He still swears heroin being on h was the greatest he's ever felt, which is fucking frightening. He told me I'd be fucking floored by how many of our mutual friends are heavy into heroin right now without any sort of signs to give away that fact.

    Russell Brand wrote a pretty in depth article about the daily battle that will never end in that regard.
     
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  9. al1

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    Generally agree but meth did for the most part. Poor white folks register about the same on the scale as poor black folk.

    Opioids cross that socio economic barrier to some extent.
     
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  10. Pharm

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    I'm pro Marijuana too, now I will never use it but there are a a bunch medical properties.
     
  11. soulfly

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    A meth lab is extremely dangerous. So yeah, while every meth head thinks they're Walter White, they're dealing with shit that can create a small bomb.
     
  12. Mikelangelo

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    Exactly why it's easy to attack. Hard to attack billionaires with the most expensive lawyers and millions in campaign contributions. Almost like the NRA in that regard.
     
  13. soulfly

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    Why what's easy to attack? I must have missed something. I was talking about why whites getting popped for meth does nothing to dispel the racial narrative for drug crimes.
     
  14. Mikelangelo

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    Because they are clear criminals, it's easy to attack.

    Not arguing anything about race, just that going after top pharmaceutical companies is something our pussy government won't do.
     
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  15. Mikelangelo

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    Keeping baseball pure was clearly a national emergency worthy of congressional hearings but this isn't.
     
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  16. al1

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    You think that's why they started cracking down and giving heavier sentences to meth users/dealers?

    Business leaders started blaming meth heads for stealing copper/other valuable materials from their sites. Got the attention of politicians. Whether it was meth heads or a shitty economy being the reason for theft tbd.

    In addition it was just like crack in that it scared the establishment the same way crack did.
     
  17. soulfly

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    Fair. The influence of big pharm in the opioid debate is entirely troubling.

    No possible way for the marijuana industry to compete against that lobbying Goliath.

    I know my governor won't go down without two middle fingers way up in the air, so I remain optimistic that the fight will go on, despite what sessions has planned.
     
  18. soulfly

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    Since I can't figure out where you live based on your fan of section, where do you live? I feel like that my be a better way to address things. I occupy a city with insane property crime levels. That's just been life. It was that way before meth or opioids. I certainly wouldn't say there's been an uptick as a result of either.
     
  19. al1

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    Kansas City metro
     
  20. soulfly

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    So the MO or the KS side? I'm assuming KS just by the way it was framed.
     
  21. al1

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    Kansas side for me
     
  22. soulfly

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    Not trying to be obtuse, but you've noticed an uptick in property crime that you believe correlates to meth? From what I've seen, the likely answer is yes.
     
  23. soulfly

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    Attorneys and doctors
     
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  24. sptony

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    Curious why attorneys and doctors are more susceptible. Is it just the ability to afford an expensive drug combined with long work hours?
     
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    Ancient Aliens broh, they don't want us woke.
     
  26. TC

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    Re: meth, I could see a similar thing happening as with heroin/opioids. Adderall and other stimulants have been way over prescribed and there will be an uptick in people that move onto meth after starting with pills. I doubt it will be near as severe as opioids but it'll again affect mainly white people and be directly attributable to the profit seeking actions of drug companies
     
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  27. soulfly

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    Just the stress that comes with their professions leads to higher issues with drug and alcohol dependencies. They also have two of the highest suicide rates.
     
  28. Mikelangelo

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    That's my problem. Feel that if I work an 8 hour day then I workout for 2+ hours that I deserve to get fucked up, can only imagine what the people who work 70-80 hours weeks think.
     
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  29. Tiffin

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    I know several of the people interviewed for this story, and it doesn’t even begin to touch on how fucked up the industry is in Arizona.
     
  31. soulfly

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    Hey that's my state!

    I'm all about safe using spaces, and we're almost there. A safe place to use will always be the first step towards recovery
     
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  32. Tiffin

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    Reading through that thread I learned a lot of people will shoot up in big box store bathrooms because they're required to do bathroom checks every hour or two. Gives them some sort of safety net. Really sad, but smart too.
     
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  33. ATXCane03

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    Tried to stay out of this thread as long as possible but my sister passed away from a Heroin addiction a week ago
     
  34. Beeds07

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    I missed this thread but after my bladder replacememt, I was given hydrocodone. I had a catheter and a bag and was in so much pain all the time. The pills helped with the pain but I mostly used it to help me sleep. I can't imagine using that stuff to get high.
     
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  35. Beeds07

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    Sorry man, damn.
     
  36. ATXCane03

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    Thanks man. Been a fucking nightmare
     
  37. Beeds07

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    There's no marijuana lobby paying them millions to protect them.
     
  38. Fudd Gates

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    Opiates suck. They’re fun short term, but if you can’t moderate your usage, there’s a good chance your life will be ruined (to a varying extent).

    The only drug I really have any desire to use anymore are amphetamines, and I rarely crave those.
     
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    Sorry for your loss.
     
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  40. Corky Bucek

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    So a neighbor I grew up with that lived across the street just died from a likely heroin OD. His younger brother OD 5 years ago.
     
  41. Mikelangelo

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    Sorry corky, had same thing. It sucks.

    Real life Hamsterdam coming in San Francisco, can't imagine Trump and his cronies will be on board

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/healt...-san-francisco-opioid-epidemic-bn0744PMVODtop

    Safe injection sites in San Francisco could be first in the US
    By Mark Lieber, CNN



    Updated 7:31 PM ET, Wed February 7, 2018














    Now PlayingVideo of a heroin addict...
    Source: CNN

    Video of a heroin addict being treated after overdosing 01:55
    Story highlights
    • The controversial facilities provide a safe space where people can consume drugs
    • There are over 120 similar sites worldwide, but this would be the first in the US
    • Over 63,000 people in the US died from drug overdose in 2016

    (CNN)The San Francisco Department of Public Health has unanimously endorsed a task force's recommendation to open what could become the nation's first legal safe injection sites aimed at curbing the opioid epidemic.

    The facilities provide a safe space where people can consume previously obtained drugs, such as heroin and fentanyl, under the supervision of staff trained to respond in the event of an overdose or other medical emergency. They also provide counseling and referrals to other social and health services.
    Although the often-controversial facilities are not an ideal solution, they are a necessity in light of the skyrocketing number of deaths caused by opioid overdose in the United States, according to San Francisco Mayor Mark Farrell.


    "I understand the misgivings around it and some of the rhetoric from people who don't support it," Farrell said last week. "But we absolutely need to give it a try."
    More than 63,000 people in the US died from drug overdose in 2016, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention -- more than the number of Americans killed in the Vietnam War. At this rate, over half a million people will die from overdose in the US in the next 10 years, exceeding the number of Americans killed in World War II, the deadliest conflict in human history.
     
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  42. aspenbuff

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    Not really like Hamsterdam since it isn't an open air drug market. You have to have previously obtained the drugs. The article mentions Vancouver, which has been very successful. IMO this is a good, albeit sad, step.
     
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  43. TC

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    San Francisco is very bad, or sick. They need to think about whether they want to receive federal funding!
     
  44. Bill the Butcher

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    The Trade on showtime, first episode is about my hometown and my employer. Its awful here.
     
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  46. TC

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    Thoughts and prayers
     
  47. Zebbie

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    Surprised the % wasn’t larger than that with how bad it’s gotten
     
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    Jesus
     
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