Exactly. He has a media company and spends his time thinking about media. Probably should’ve elevated the level of discourse around the events of the weekend.
So basically he was the worst possible choice Bill could have made to have on to talk about a movement that will never affect Ryen. He's a selfish meathead fuck.
At one point, Bill and Ryen agreed that people were being too tough on Trump for his coronavirus response in order to demonstrate how open minded they are.
I just finished with this. McKesson was very impressive and I learned a lot. I am donating to Campaign Zero and looking forward to seeing how his project grows. I was also impressed with Bill admitting he fucked up on Sunday and owning his mistakes. He's a rich, white borderline boomer, but he has a good heart. And him having guests like DeRay on is going to push an important message onto a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't give it a chance.
and said that most people vote for selfish reasons which was total projection on his part. If you wanna say you vote selfishly then own it when people call you a dick, spare me the “well you know, most people vote for their own self interest anyways” bullshit
Ryen certainly believes Mitt Romney’s line about 47% of the country being ungettable for Republicans because they are takers. He is smart enough to figure out he shouldn’t talk about his shitty politics which is something.
I forgot that line remember when he said he had “binders full of women” and it almost torpedoed his campaign? how quaint.
I just love the concept that Ryen thought anybody would think "Oh you're just another ESPN lib!" about him and also that he thought it was such a mind-blowing, bad-ass retort to say "Actually...I never even voted for Obama" its like his own David Caruso sunglasses moment in his mind
1. He said he shouldnt be the guy you heard from based on his life experiences 2. His tone was wrong, he listened to it again and he realized how he sounded more upset by looters and how that is clearly not the case but that he shouldnt have even brought that up. It was a solid "apology" imo.
It clearly was the case, though, because he brought every comment back to looting. And he didn’t even address the most egregious comment about voting for Trump for purely personal reasons. And it was about 1 minute long lol
"Are we gonna do this thing where someone apologizes and then Twitter is like 'that's not enough' and it's just like...what are we even doing here? Seriously?"
I didn’t listen to it but thx for the overview. I mean at best Ryen is a notch above a chud. He isn’t the type to be thoughtful about social situations—period.
For me it's just weird that he and/or Bill thought not only that they should talk about it for 40 minutes, but that it should be included in the podcast. I follow politics probably too much, and I know some stuff about protests in this country in the last century or so and the public reaction to them. I'd be surprised if I had 10 minutes of thoughtful things to say. For people who are conscious about content vs time because it's one of the most fundamental parts of their jobs... to let that go is confusing.
Pop and Kerr were throwing 100 mph and Pete is a step behind them in eloquence and articulation but he was getting guys out too
will listen. i was hesitant because generally i don't listen to any podcasts involving players/coaches because they are typically so guarded in what they say
yea I enjoyed his curriculum idea along with agreeing with him that some places just the discussion of such an idea could be even more beneficial since it goes to parents
I just could not be more impressed with Pop and Kerr. Flying coach is one of the best products The Ringer has put out but this one with Pop is special.
i've enjoyed the entire series of flying coach. it was great with pop though i felt like carroll kind of side-stepped some of the kaepernick questions.
also, i listened to the higher learning pod with rachel lindsay and van latham tonight (i didn't love it) and they just started talking about simmons and russillo about 62-63 minutes in
Pete def isn’t as liberal as Kerr and Pop but for a white NFL coach he’s prob the best we’ll get. Although if he thinks the NFL mishandled the Kaep situation, why not put your money where your mouth is and sign him to the Seahawks?
i thought they were pretty honest. latham discussed his conversation with russillo either that night or earlier in the week.
I'm just glad Pete's views don't mirror is football philosophy. Otherwise he'd be like William F. Buckley.
dunno, also a chance vulture working on a story right now because bills getting shit for diversity this week prior to this
where's the diversity of thought at the Ringer? "The NBA is awesome!" "No, the NBA is SUPER awesome!" "This. League."
those aware that jayson tatum is very polished and was in the recent past only 19 years old those aware that jaylen brown has hit many checkpoints those unaware of these facts
Russillo bringing it up Sunday was relevant bc it’s race related, but it was completely out of left field. This is a good guess.
someone posted the transcript on Reddit, worth reading for those (like myself) who didn't listen: Spoiler Rachel: Listening to it, I get the point of a podcast ... You're supposed to feel like you're listening to two friends talk ... like you're peeking in on a conversation ... When I was listening to this, it felt like maybe a conversation I shouldn't be listening to ... A conversation that maybe should've been behind closed doors, and I'm specifically speaking towards the things that Ryen was saying. There were a couple of things that really bothered me in what he said ... It was what he was highlighting in his conversation, of course you have to talk about what has transpired over this past week because it's so relevant to America and to us as citizens in every single way. What bothered me was rather than talk about the purpose and the reason behind these protests, and what they stand for, and how a majority of them have been peaceful, the focus was shifted to the looting and what was negative and what was bad about it. I just felt like: 1. there was different people that could talk about this and then 2. I was just disappointed by Ryen's perspective from what he was highlighting. He kept talking about the looting. When you think about what looting is, it's taking value and goods from a store. I felt like he was looting the purpose of the protest in his conversation. He was taking the value out of something that was good, rather than shining a light behind the reason of it. And that's what really, really got to me... He polluted the reason and the purpose behind the protest, and if you're going to talk about it, you're going to shine a light on it, you can't brag about how you haven't said anything on social media, and you haven't done anything, and you talk about all the wrong that's being done, but you don't move the conversation forward in how you're actually trying to do something positive for the movement, or what you have actually done to push the movement in a forward direction... (then she says she didn't like the Trump comments, as she passes it onto Van) Van: ... I'll tell you my take away from it. Being black in America comes with an understanding that the deepest, darkest parts of yourself will always highlighted ... (Van cites an Orlando Jones' monologue) In America, when a white person fucks up it's looked as a good person who has done a bad thing. And when a black person messes up it looks as if they're showing America who they really where the entire time. And that assessment to me rings true. Whenver something happens where we act in anyway which is out of line of how people think we should act, they go oh okay that's who they really are. There's no such thing as a mistake, there's no such thing as an error in judgment. I'm not saying so much that the more violent parts of the protest were an error in judgment, what I'm saying is that to look at the entire ball of wax there and then pull out the part of it that specifically makes us look bad is incredibly disappointing. And when I hit Bill about this, it was enraging. I wasn't disappointing or hurt in what Ryen said, I was all those things, but more than anything I was pissed the fuck off. And for a split second I was embarrassed to be here, for a split second. I have since talked to Ryen, and he has addressed this on his podcast. When I talked to him, we were able to have an open and honest conversation about what he thought he was doing, and what I feel it was he actually did. What I feel like he actually did, like you said, was loot the entire issue, detract the humanity from it, and concentrate on the criminality, and not on the crime. The crime is the loss of life of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery and all of that. If you don't start the conversation by discussing the system that leads to that, I don't see how we can have a conversation about the Adidas store losing some stock ... it shows sometimes what we feel like, which is do some of the people we think are everyday, cool people, do they really care about how our lives are affected? Because if you care about that, I find it difficult to talk about stores being looted, when life is being lost. The other thing that bothered me was this, and me and Ryen talked about this, there was something he said specifically about a Trump voter ... I'm not going to police who people voted for, that's on you. But I will say that your vote does say something. He said on the podcast that a lot of people vote selfishly, he made it clear he was not exactly an Obama fan. But he thinks a lot of people vote selfishly: they vote their interests, they vote for whatever it is that means something about them, and there are other things about candidates that they might be willing to overlook if it means a better tax rate, or a different corporate structure or things like that. I want people to understand, what that sounds like in my ear: as a child, as a man, what were told is were going to have a better country the more everybody thinks about everybody else. Ask not what your country will do for you, ask what you can do for your country ... Were taught our military is amazing, they give more than themselves, charity is amazing, philanthropy is amazing, people that go into public service are amazing, cops are amazing. Why? Because they put themselves in harm's way so that other people can be safe, and we can have a harmonious, justice-filled, safe society. We're all supposed to do that. But when white rich guys are ready to vote, it's all of a sudden, fuck you. Your president won't denounce David Duke, how easy is it to denounce David Duke? He won't step away from white supremacists, but that's okay, because I want a better tax rate. It's okay that you're going to get screwed by a guy, who won't divorce himself from white supremacy. But that's cool that you're going to go through that, but over here this is what's going to happen to me. So I'm going to preserve my America, while you continue to live in yours. That's precisely the attitude that we have to fix in this country. Now, full disclosure, when I explained that to Ryen, he was receptive, he was respectful, and he was apologetic. All of those things. I'm not bound to do any caping, because like he told me on the phone, he is a big boy and he can handle this. But when I said that to him, he said, I have no retort for that. I'm not saying I one upped him, or anything like that. I've met Russilo before, he seemed like a nice guy, I've done his podcast, he treated me with respect. But hopefully, not just for him, but for everybody involved, this is a teachable moment about the seriousness of the part of history were in right now, and how we can be better allies to eachother moving forward.