The Ringer Thread: Complain about everything, yet still consume content

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  1. Handcuffed

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    haralsbob is such a pompous dickbag but i also enjoy listening to him and bill (sort of the same) talk
     
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  2. user15000

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    He’s been in btc since like 2012. And aggressively into it shortly after that. So as long as you’ve disliked him for about 9 years, I suppose this could be accurate.

    Or he’s just always been a rich dude who thinks he’s 100% correct on all things nba, and given his history, probably isn’t far off from that.
     
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  3. LuPoor

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    Yes, dumping all the Mavs trade assets into Kristaps Porzingis was brilliant
     
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  4. user15000

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    I’d be surprised if he had final decision making authority over that. Neither of us will ever know nor know whether he was even pushing that trade.

    He’s literally worth hundreds of millions of dollars due to his nba opinions though, so cherry-picking a trade is uhhhhh an interesting way to try to discredit that.
     
  5. LuPoor

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    I knew that you decided liking crypto was a good replacement for having a personality. Did not know someone else liking crypto would get you ready to mount your steed for them in regards to anything. He's a loooong way off from 100% correct on the NBA. He'd probably be the first to tell you that
     
  6. user15000

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    The crypto has nothing to do with it. He made hundreds of millions gambling. He was betting 6 figures+ on volume of 2000+ bets per season and hitting at 55%+. I know far more about that industry than I’d guess most everyone on this board given my past experience, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know how he made his money. He’s been rich, smart, self-assured and a bit of an ass for as long as I’ve listened to him, which is well before I knew he was doing much of anything in crypto. People acting like he changed post-crypto is hilarious.
     
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  7. Lyrtch

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    i said it made him uninteresting to me, and yes whenever his twitter feed became 100% crypto vs 99% nba 1% crypto was sometime after 2012 but before he got a real front office job he flamed out of
     
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  8. BudKilmer

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    Crypto guy has logged on
     
  9. user15000

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    He plainly had to stop posting more on his Twitter about nba once he became more involved with the Mavs. And he consulted with them pre-2018. So if you were surprised he wasn’t giving away his nba opinions for free any more and was telling you to buy something that’s up about 100x since he posted to buy it around $600, then it’s probably because you don’t understand his nba history. He’s posted way more about the nba this year; that’s not a coincidence.

    I also don’t agree with him on btc, eth, or nfts, soooooo.
     
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  10. BudKilmer

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    Bill deserves a lot of flack but I thought he did a good job with the Haralabob interview.
     
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  11. ZeroPointZero

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    understatement. "I hate LeBron because he has a tattoo that says Chosen One and the announcers call him by his nickname" - the most arrogant BS podcast guest

    the worst part of the Haralabob pods are how often Bill says "we've always thought" or "We've always been fans of..." to try and act like him and Haralabob are equal in hoops knowledge
     
  12. Hogger

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    I liked the Haralobob pod. I especially liked him calling out Bill for him complaining about the Michael Porter Jr contract.
     
  13. Butthead

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    I listened to the pod Bob did with Pablo Torre, which told the story of his time with Dallas. It was interesting but it seems like he thinks he was fired for not being good at workplace politics when it seems more like he's just a pain in the ass to be around

    Also claimed to have made "hundreds of millions" on NBA betting
     
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  14. Butthead

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    is user1500 with "crypto" like that randy bobandi guy is with "barstool"?
     
  15. bro

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    Absolutely
     
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  16. Paddy Murphy

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    Thought this math was interesting.

    You say he’s hitting 55% and has made hundreds of millions (and sounds like he claimed it too).

    At 55% using -110 odds he makes 500 for every 10,000 he bets. So basically a 5% return on his investment. To have made 100M, the minimum pre tax amount to satisfy that claim, that would require 2B in total gambling volume.

    Let’s say he has a system and bets 50% of games based on that, that’s 1,200 games a season (2,000 games a year is 85% of games. Just seems unrealistic especially when no one can actually say what his system was.) That would require 100k bets on every game in the system for 16 years to satisfy that. That’s a million dollars exposure daily. Ok, not totally out of the realm of possibility even if pretty incredible.

    But then you get to the part where you have to ask does he have investors which would dilute his ownership of the profits. First off, he didn’t build a bank roll to lay 150M a year in bets, based on the above, by himself. To make any of the above work he had to have investors for at least 5-7 years minimum. No way he had enough capital to withstand any kind of margin call from a book on that kind of volume. Much less a second one after two bad runs in a row. Unless he had backing. So now we’re at maybe he grossed 100M, but didn’t make it for himself, unless all the volumes were even higher.

    Second, no book or collection of books is going to let one individual have that much action over the years. 150M+ per year?? Especially if they are winning at 55%. I know syndicates this that and the other, but at that volume I’m not sure you can hide that much money ESPECIALLY if you are betting 50-80% of NBA games. The action would be so obvious on a daily basis.

    So all that to get to 100M on the nose basically over a 15-20 year period roughly. Pre tax.

    In the last 40 years the S&P 500 has averaged gains of 10.9%. He could’ve taken 15M of his dads money and put it in significantly less risky assets with significantly better tax advantages and come out ahead of the greatest gambling career in history.

    But my all means, take him at his word.
     
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  17. ZeroPointZero

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    his whole origin story of the working man who put his life savings on the Lakers winning it all in 2000 always seemed like bullshit to me
     
  18. Fecta23

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    My brother is friends with Bob and said he’s definitely on the spectrum.
     
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  19. Butthead

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    he mentioned using "beards" and doing business with shady bookies (i guessed mafia but who knows) because no one would take his action. he also said at one point 1/3 of his bankroll was stolen

    i'm not making a judgment on the story one way or the other but that does seem like a lot of fucking money from betting on basketball. his caveat was it's not that much when you do it for 18 years.

    iirc there was some old espn story where it was claimed his win rate was closer to 70%
     
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  20. user15000

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    You must’ve missed the 55%+ number. It’s not unusual for pro bettors to hit closer to 60%. Nor is it unusual to get below -110 on foreign books. You also fail to realize that there are tons of bets per game that don’t require him to bet 85% of all games (quarters, halfs, games, totals, sides, etc.). It’s also pretty standard that he would be betting more money and winning at a higher clip for bets that he liked more. So your math is entirely off.

    And of course he has a whole system of people betting for him. Lol at thinking he was just lining up all of these bets at Bookmaker or Betonline by himself. If you had any understanding of big time pro gambling, you’d know he is betting most of his money offscreen with as many people as humanly possible to get money down. I know multiple pro bettors with a similar setup. Did I miss the point where he inherited $15m from his dad or that his dad has that kind of money? Or are you just making that up?

    He’s said for years that his goal was to be worth $1b and that he’ll basically have that once btc hits $100k. So ya I kinda don’t think the guy who flies private everywhere, sits court side at tons of nba games for thousands of dollars per game, rents expensive ass yachts for weeks at a time, etc. might be worth approximately what he says he’s worth.
     
  21. ZeroPointZero

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    idolizing people like Haralabob and Dan Bilzerian is so weird
     
  22. Fran Tarkenton

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    reminds me of Teel saying Facts are always on Portnoy's side He is always right
     
  23. Butthead

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    Eh I don't really see a reason to doubt that Bob is good at nba betting. Maybe the numbers don't line up but whatever. Anyone with a brain could see that Bilzerian was a bullshitter from day 1
     
  24. ZeroPointZero

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    teel thinks imitating Pardon My Take at all times is a sufficient substitute for having an actual personality
     
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  25. user15000

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    I hate barstool, bilzerian, and Portnoy, but the projection is cute.
     
  26. Butthead

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    Also something interesting was Bob's unintentional implication of Cuban in the sexual harassment stuff. I think the quote was something like "he's involved with everything" related to the team
     
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  27. LuPoor

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    No one even implied you did
     
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  29. LuPoor

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    What I said still stands. No one would read those and think those posts implicate you as liking barstool or Bilzarian
     
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  30. Fran Tarkenton

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    Nah I said this
    is similar in cult worship of a stranger to this
    Its just strange for college-educated adults to look onto other men as being infallible
     
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  31. LuPoor

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    Ok, i now believe he likes Portnoy
     
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  32. user15000

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    In what way? I’ve basically said itt that he’s filthy rich and a bit of a smug asshole who thinks he’s right on all things nba. And considering he got filthy rich by having an opinion on the nba, he’s probably not far off.

    “Infallible” and cult worship is stupid shit you came up with. I don’t know the guy, have never bet for him, and I’m sure never will. But I value his nba opinions more than just about anyone else given his history.
     
  33. ZeroPointZero

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    after that rousing success that was his Mavs tenure you definitely gotta think he's one of the brightest minds in hoops, Tyrell Terry ftw
     
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  34. Lyrtch

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    yeah but he made lots of money betting so that's just the mavs organizations fault not utilizing him properly

    like figuring out value in the over/under discrepancies between halves
     
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  35. Butthead

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    I would suggest listening to the ESPN Daily podcast with him and Pablo Torre. I think it's from like October 20

    He mentioned certain players he liked that the mavs didn't get (Caruso, Duncan Robinson,, Lonzo Ball I think)

    He didn't mention ones he liked that didn't work out
     
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  36. LuPoor

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    And every team in the league was going to take Draymond Green with their next pick, the same kinds of stories always bubble up after the fact
     
  37. user15000

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    lol at this simplistic view of his gambling success and his mavs tenure. Nuance is apparently not y’all’s strong suit.
     
  38. Gallant Knight

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    I bet he made more money on Bitcoin than he did betting
     
  39. BudKilmer

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    Also LMFAO at whining about the difficulty of building around Luka
     
  40. Butthead

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    I thought his point was that Luka and KP require players with certain defensive attributes that they didn't have. Add Seth Curry and it becomes even more of a problem

    Although to be fair every team in the league covets good wing defenders
     
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  41. Fran Tarkenton

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    giving open mic night to a witness with major credibility issues is a choice

    so yea, I am not going to take everything Haralabob says at face value, nor is my prior going to be he is 'not far off' from being right 100% of the time
     
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  42. ZeroPointZero

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    the one thing we can all agree on is that Haralabob >>>>> Warren Sharp
     
  43. joey jo-jo jr shabadoo

    joey jo-jo jr shabadoo you know for me, the action is the juice

  44. Butthead

    Butthead uh hu hu hu

    Yeah his takes on workplace interactions reminded me of coworkers who were a pain in the ass to deal but thought the problem was everyone else
     
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  45. Hogger

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    On Simmons’ pod he mentioned he couldn’t even convince Dallas that Caruso was an NBA player, let alone someone they should look to sign.

    He did say he was a fan of Josh Richardson even though he hasn’t worked out for Dallas.

    I liked that he constantly pushed back on Bill being critical of certain moves, saying over and over how hard team building is. I think Bill legitimately thinks it’s an easy job, that he’d have no problem doing, based on how he talks.
     
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  46. Butthead

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    Yeah Richardson was the other one. I'm trying to remember 2.5 hours of podcast while I was trying to sleep off my Thanksgiving hangover
     
  47. Butthead

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    I can't remember if it was posted on here but I remember a reddit post about him hitting like 35% of his bets this year from his subscription service :loldog:

    I'm no pro but I feel like it's obvious to be wary of people like that. If they were that good, they wouldn't sell their picks
     
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  48. teel

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    The things people come up with in their heads :laugh:
     
  49. ZeroPointZero

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    Million Dollar Picks taking another beating
    • Parlay (+150): Bills, Pats, Cowboys MLs ($600k) - loss
    • Parlay (-102): Bills & Pats ML ($300k) - win
    • Parlay (+114): Pats & Eagles ML ($300k) - loss
    • Dolphins +1.5 ($250k) - win
    • Vikings +3 ($250k) - tbd
    • Parlay (+260): Eagles -3.5, Bucs -2.5 ($150k) - loss
    • Parlay (+475): Lions & Vikings ML ($33k) - loss
    • Swift top rusher on Thanksgiving ($33k/+450) - loss
     
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  50. joey jo-jo jr shabadoo

    joey jo-jo jr shabadoo you know for me, the action is the juice

    at this rate the million dollar bookie is gonna have to start breaking some legs