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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by TheChatch, Apr 8, 2015.
Maybe you should make it more clear that you're not arguing your actual beliefs then.
No, I do argue my actual beliefs for the most part unless I'm unsure and am just playing devil's advocate to challenge the point.
so do all of the overweight poors in the country that all vote R that go to the emergency room with a stuffy nose and don't have insurance. people getting free HC is literally addressed by tying it into taxes since everyone pays them, either directly or indirectly.
jfc dude she said it herself that the whole point of wanting to vote for a raise was bc she's wanting to find a way to stop politicians becoming lobbyists. then she went on saying how she thinks everyone, not just members of congress, should get a COL increase every year.
it's a step towards trying to solve the issue of politicians bending over backwards to pass legislation that benefits a few corporations, and then getting jobs at said corporations when they get voted out or leave office. will it work? no, a 2-3% raise isn't going to stop politicians from being corrupt fucks, but it gets the dialogue started
Why should someone else pay the cost for someone that chose an addictive substance? If you want help I recommend starting at the local level and expand from there. Why the insurance industry gets demonized for doing their job is beyond me. Insurance has helped poorer folks get greater access than they otherwise could not on an individual level.
I acknowledge your argument and don’t want the government determining who gets what healthcare or not. I want the market to determine the price of goods since the word operates on scarcity and trade offs.
So you selectively argue only when the majority is against your opinion which conveniently only happens when you get to cape for Republicans
The majority of folks are openly leftists so I don’t blame him for not siding with you all.
I just can't imagine doing the least bit of research into private health insurance and coming away thinking they're a benevolent actor.
Research isn't really a thing for the people in this thread. They prefer their opinions to be fed to them and to never have to do any critical thinking themselves. See: every topic they discuss.
It gets the dialogue started? Are you fucking kidding me? How long has lobbying been a talking point in campaigns? Years? Decades?
Sorry bro, but using a Congressional raise (COL or otherwise) to somehow bring lobbying awareness is a false equivalency and disingenuous at best. They can vote themselves a COL increase and shout on the rooftops everyone getting a COL increase and ending lobbying dollars in Congress, but at the end of the day they are only going to do something real and tangible about their own. Its another example of Congress looking out for Congress, which they always do regardless.
On this board, pretty much man.
This is a really good way to rationalize your selective skepticism, I'll give you that
It's not selective skepticism. It's selective arguing.
If you say so
You realize all it is is people pooling money to account risk right? Then the company rates people on their risk factor and makes prices accordingly, hence why if you get in a car wreck and it happens to be your fault then the price goes up. It’s nothing more than an intermediary between a customer and a good or service. Maybe instead of blaming insurance companies for doing exactly what they are set up to do you should look more into what the reason for the costs are on why people have to pool their money together in the first place. Let’s see if you can come up with an answer other than using race and hating poor people as a cop out.
so you're telling me the only reason she's bringing this up is because she wants $3k more per year? someone who went from making like $30k/year to $170k a year is going to go through all this shit just to make another $3k/year?
From the words she used in that video, yeah man. She wants a COL increase for herself and members of Congress. All the other shit about COL increases for everyone and minimum wage increases and curbing lobbying is bullshit justification in my opinion. Like somehow the members of Congress getting a raise is some sort of political symbolism for the rest of America. Please...
It's also bullshit. People don't argue things they don't believe.
I understand how insurance works.
What happens if you pool your money for years and when it becomes your turn to get some of that money back to help with, for instance, mental illness, the money pool administrator tells you "too bad, we don't cover that even though we told you we did and you paid premiums with that expectation and we're even required by law to cover it but we figure we'll save money by not paying and we probably won't get caught but if we do we'll pay a pittance compared to the money we saved?"
He said the other day a corporation shouldn't be penalized for accidentally killing people. So I think that will probably be his answer.
Then I’m sure you’ll understand the point of a business is to continue to make a profit to stay in business. Hard to if you’re broke. With that being said, if they did renege on an agreement then you might have a case for a lawsuit. If they changed their policy then I imagine you’d have the ones who already paid into it get grandfathered in and take away the service for future customers.
Absolutely. We completely agree. And there's not a thing wrong with that.
And that's also why we should try to separate the profit motive from things like mental health and veterans' treatment. Profit taking precedence over care maybe isn't all that great for the people that need the care.
meh agree to disagree
Agreed. I don't see how that applies to me though.
It seems like he's saying he only feels compelled to argue a belief when it goes against the grain of those around him. Which I guess is fine albeit a little odd and perhaps speaks to his desire to feel a level of enlightened superiority
Regardless it gives the perception that he's a Republican in Independent clothing, at least on this board. Which tracks with what polling data suggests about the myth of true Independents
Supply and demand are still a factor which means money will be a factor and that fluctuates with the market. If you want to make it for vets then I’m listening but for everyone not so much. Since the vets already have a care system with the VA then it sounds like the insurance issue is taken care of on that end so the issue goes back to the VA which is run by the government and is woefully shitty, especially in high population areas.
No offense, but I have a really difficult time following your arguments.
What exactly are you trying to say here?
I have no idea what that first sentence means. I read it like 5 times.
Lol...whatever you say man.
The VA sucks. Profit motive is a great incentive for businesses to produce better products and services.
Because you don’t understand economics.
No I think you're just throwing out random words to make it seem like you know what you're talking about. I mean look at this shit...
So you don’t understand economics.... Do you believe prices are just set the way they are for an arbitrary reason or that supply and demand play a factor?
Nah. It's pretty good considering it's severely underfunded.
In a normal market.
Health care isn't a normal market. And in the health insurance industry, the profit motive incentivizes limiting/denying services whenever possible.
The classic leftist scapegoat is that there is never enough funding. Sounds like you need to let the market generate more funds/wealth through their profit motive since health care is and should be treated as normal market commodity.
Your bottom paragraph is another low informed post in that it’s hard to make money and sustain revenue when you deny services.
What in the world.
You know we're talking about health insurance, right?
Why would that be much different from other insurance types?
You're not going to get much return out of people with no insurance.
That’s why insurance exists in the first place, to make expensive procedures cheaper by paying a monthly premium. If the cost of a certain medical procedure rises then it’s logical that the premiums will rise to adjust.
I realize now you're having a conversation on the insurance end of healthcare, not the provider.
What would you like to discuss about the provider? They come with costs too. Maybe the most due to liability costs.
Check out the Denver Antifa wing. I have a small penis and am very insecure about my sexuality.
that bear head long sleeve special
One of my Liberal friends texted me a link to the DSA for donations...he knows I’ll
run him over with the Trump train, but I filled it out and texted him back. He laughed...
Definitely a liberal and not a leftists if he got a laugh from that. Sounds like a reasonable man.
So you guys are cool with a Russian ship harassing our navy
You’re cool with Russian jets buzzing Alaskan air space
And you’re cool with this?
You guys couldn’t be bigger traitors if you tried
“Our democracy is in peril”!!
You are such a sad human being. “Traitors”. Pfffftttt. I honestly feel sorry for you.
I feel sorry for his children
Are y’all cool with the above?