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  1. The Banks

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    The entire point is not rural versus urban, it's that swing state voters (all of them) wield significantly more power than voters of other states, and my contention is that all voters of all states should have equal power for the executive branch.
     
  2. ALE☭COCK

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    Are you talking about my true direct basement?
     
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  3. Talking Head

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    I get that.

    My point is that swing state voters force you to actually solicit votes from places that wouldn’t matter in any way otherwise and therefore candidates could ignore them altogether. Hillary would have zero reason to speak in Youngstown when she’d get more votes by trying to get 65% of the vote in LA instead of 55%.

    And vice versa. Trump would get way more votes by trying to get LA to 45% democrat instead of 55% than by speaking in Youngstown,OH.
     
  4. The Banks

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    That's no different than the popular vote that would force you to solicit votes from major metropolitan areas that are currently ignored.

    The difference is the latter is more representative.

    And you don't like that because currently that representation is more democratic than republican.

    Point me to where I'm wrong above.
     
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  5. BetterCallSaul

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    What do the tax breaks have to do with the Fed raising interest rates 3 (about to be 4) times this year and our stupid trade war with China? The deficit for sure but I'm failing to see the correlation with the stock market.
     
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  6. Talking Head

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    It’s different because there are major metropolitan areas that aren’t ignored in the current system. Chicago, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Miami, Phoenix, Charlotte, etc are not ignored and simultaneously smaller cities within those states aren’t either.

    In the popular vote system, big cities are all that would matter.

    I don’t want the Democratic Party to start drifting further and further left, further isolating themselves from non city dwellers. While republicans double down on being all about white folks who don’t live in the city since that might be their winning formula in that system. That would not be good for the country over the long run.
     
  7. The Banks

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    Here you are conflating how a candidate would run their campaign and the voting power of each person, somehow you are prioritizing the former and not the latter in your argument.
     
  8. Daniel Ocean

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    No. There deep red parts of California. Deep blues. Purples and everyone in between. If you don’t think that you don’t know shit about California. Rural California might as well be in the fucking south.
     
  9. The Banks

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    And here we are, willing to give power and voice to those deep red people in California, if (A)merica is fine with everyone having an equal voice in the executive branch elections.
     
  10. Talking Head

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    I know that. I talk to almond growers frequently in my business.

    The population of deep blue just dwarfs the deep red because of the metro populations. So it makes no sense to solicit their votes when it makes more sense to appeal to their political comparable in Ohio.
     
  11. Daniel Ocean

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    So now you admit you were wrong and California is more diverse than the swing states.

    You like a system that values white rural voters than urban communities. I value one in which both will count equally. Between 12-15 million more votes went to democrats this past presidential election and midterm but for some reason to you isnt representative of America.
     
  12. Talking Head

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    It proportionately is more politically diverse than California. You have two dem senators, a dem governor, 39 of 53 reps are dem, and the last time you went dem in a presidential election was 1988.

    I like a system that has to cater to all aspects of life as an american. You certainly get that in California, but it doesn’t reflect that at the polls. No one expects a Mexican American farmer’s life to be the same as a suburban Mexican american or the same as an urban Mexican american. They should have different opinions on politics and their opinions should be given credence.

    I’m not sure why you’d want the system to cater towards the urban simply due to sheer numbers. Politicians are going to cater to them in a popular vote system. That’s just the reality of the situation.
     
  13. The Banks

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    What you're saying is that you prefer the system cater to swing state voters instead of the overwhelming majority. Why?
     
  14. Daniel Ocean

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    Because white is right
     
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  15. Comcast

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    Must be it. Must be the answer to any "social injustice"
     
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  16. Talking Head

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    Because of the reality of how presidential candidates would campaign in that environment.

    You don't even deny that they would campaign solely in the larger cities, you just claim that it's unfair that such large cities' populations aren't catered to now unless they're in a swing state.

    My claim is that it would be unfair how much sway the metro population would have overall in a presidential election. And part of that fear lies in how a republican might try to be the antithesis of the democratic city candidate and might go full on gun totin merican. In the process, the divide between rural and urban might become even deeper.
     
  17. The Banks

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    We all understand how they would campaign. I don't get why you are so caught up on how they would be campaigning. The metro population would have no more sway than the rural population, each vote would be equal. We're asking why you prefer that swing states have more power than the average voter as opposed to everyone having equal power.

    If we went to the popular vote do you think the republican platform would drift further right or circle back around to appeal to a winnable vote?
     
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  18. BetterCallSaul

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    How is a proportional electoral system not better than the current or popular voting systems that you guys have been vehemently arguing over the past couple days?

    I don't see why y'all continue to argue one way or another when, like almost always, the best answer lies in the middle.

    Has this turned into arguing just for the sake of arguing?
     
  19. Talking Head

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    I think it might drift further right because I think that might be the better strategy for reps and dems would focus entirely on large cities, whereas its currently a better strategy to go more towards the center to appeal to a broader range.

    Maybe I'm wrong though. I'm not entirely against the idea of splitting electoral college votes. I agree that it would be nice if my vote actually mattered if I was in the minority within a state.
     
  20. The Banks

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    I don't see the republicans giving up all hopes of national power by trending more right. And besides, it's the democrats whose policies are the ones trying to prevent slugs from sprinkling salt on themselves, with higher taxes on the wealthy allowing for better education, paying for training of these rural obsolete professions like farmers, coal miners, long haul truck drivers into modern societal contributing occupations, universal healthcare, etc. The republican policies are just loosening the cap, the rural voters might understand that at some point.
     
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  21. DetectivePopcorn

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    Is it 1925 and the most effective/only way ideally for people to hear your message is to physically be in a high populated area so the most people can literally hear you or hear about you on local radio?
     
  22. Comcast

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    Maybe they realize how bad some of those policies are. Just saying....
     
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  23. The Banks

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    No there are literally only stumps in the center of the largest metropolitan areas. People only vote for you if you campaign in their hometown (or within a 20 min drive).
     
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  24. The Banks

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    Hence the slugs/salt reference.
     
  25. BetterCallSaul

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    The problem with that is that history has shown that those wealthy will simply leave and go to other countries with lower tax burdens while using free trade agreements to still reap the benefits of doing business in that country. Its what is causing a lot of the unrest in France and why some great American companies are now centrally located in other countries.
     
  26. Comcast

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    The only way to get universal health care is through government force. Even then quality is going to go down and shortages will occur due to supply and demand.
     
  27. Talking Head

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    Damn, I really wonder why these people decide not to vote democrat when this is how most democrats feel about them.
     
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  28. The Banks

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    Many other countries have proven this is incorrect.
     
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  29. Comcast

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    Hahahhahahhahaa sure bud.
     
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  30. The Banks

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    We gonna go down the "some people called me deplorable so I'm gonna vote against my own interests just to own them" road again?
     
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  31. Talking Head

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    No but you're fucking retarded if you don't see how condescending and off putting it is to people.
     
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  32. The Banks

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    Sure, there's probably a more subtle way of communicating that to them. Hence why there's so few supporters of the democratic party in the trump thread, they have terrible leadership and terrible messaging despite their policies.
     
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  33. Talking Head

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    Who are some of the leaders you'd like to see emerge within the party?
     
  34. Comcast

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    Few supporters? There's more of them in here on a daily basis than guys who lean right. And I wouldn't even consider the rights message terrible. More independent freedom, lower taxes, lower regulations, etc. Those messages just get painted over with a broad brush of racism somehow by the left.
     
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  35. The Banks

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    I like Beto and Warren and most of their stances, a few others like Harris, Klobluchar, Gillibrand. How those would all fit into a Presidential run is TBD, strategy is important. I think the leadership of the DNC is trash as well (Perez and Ellison)
     
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  36. The Banks

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    You ought not conflate people opposed to Trump as supporters of the democratic party. They are mutually exclusive.
     
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  37. Comcast

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    You're right. Then I recommend the left take this as a lesson as well that people who support Trump as supporters of the Republican party.
     
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  38. Talking Head

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    Not a fan of Perez or Ellison. I think Harris is a good politician but not sure about her policies. Warren grandstands an awful lot and this native american thing is gonna kill her in the primaries. Beto seems cool and likeable but I honestly don't know much about his actual stances or leadership.

    I think the democratic party rallying around Hillary stopped this from happening in 2016, but this intersectionality thing might get ugly in the primaries. If the ALE☭COCK wing of the party starts pitching a hissy fit because Beto the straight white man wins the primary by a tiny majority then it could get bad.
     
  39. ALE☭COCK

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    Are you talking about true intersectionality or direct intersectionality?
     
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  40. The Banks

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    I think we all understand the republican party would not be as supportive of trump if he were not president.
     
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  41. Comcast

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    More than likely. Because he’s a brash asshole.
     
  42. DuckKin

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    Grifter, dont forget grifter.
     
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  43. BWC

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    You mansplained music tours. Get off your fucking pedestal and look in a goddamn mirror for once.
     
  44. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Why do you insist that the rural vote be worth more any other American? What makes rural Americans more worthwhile than other Americans?

    That’s what you are saying in your argument.
     
  45. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Nobody wants it to cater to urban populations. They want the system to just treat every American equally.
     
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  46. the one and only GUBBERJK

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    this one is for buff ruffneck , eat shit and fuck off .
     
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  47. Fran Tarkenton

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    We have to cling to the intentions of the people who also wanted to count a certain class of persons a “3/5” of 1 human (and not count another class of persons as human altogether)

    They certainly got all the Rules right on the first shot.
     
  48. TAXTAXTAX

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    Pretty sweet that you could directly buy more political power by just buying people as property. Those guys were geniuses!
     
  49. R2-D2Big

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    Do you even Democratic plantation bro?
     
  50. TAXTAXTAX

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    Now you don't even need to cater to people's needs!

    All you need is 501(c)(4) dark money pools to raise money from foreign governments a la the NRA, and then buy viral propaganda on Facebook, all the while massively skimming a large portion of the money through "consulting contracts."

    Isn't technology/capitalism great!