At least here, it was groundbreaking. I had never had anything like that before which made it very special when it came out each year. The lines to get it were very long. Now, there are many other breweries doing something similar.
I'm drinking a Hopslam right now, and it's goddamn delicious. But it's also Friday, and fuck work and everything else, so I'm pretty sure I'd be just as happy with a High Life.
It's just overhyped and really not worth the lines/price. The release party is the best part of Hopslam by far (and I didn't even drink it while I was there)
I'm trying to get drunk enough to get mad they are round. Like hopefully wake the wife up at 1am yelling why isn't the earth flat
That said I'd rather buy Todd the Axe Man for the price point or stick with Pseudosue as a non-DIPA since that's on shelves pretty much everywhere and reasonably priced.
I didn't find Pliny to be all that great either, but that's another argument. I mean those are both different beers, but also both better than Hopslam. I just don't understand how a beer could be called Hop-SLAM and be malty as fuck. Give me a slam of hops or GTFO.
Middle America hoppy beers are not West Coast hoppy beers though. It's mostly a style thing outside of certain breweries. Surly does a good West Coast style but if you're in the Midwest you'll probably get more malt just because it's regional. And I agree on Pliny. It's why ratings are pretty meh. I thought it was really good but beers like that rarely live up to the crazy hype.
I'll stick with Surly and Three Floyds in the midwest as better than anything produced on the East Coast.
The Top 10 Breweries in the World list has 4 NE breweries on it, all of them create incredible IPAs along with other magical beers. Three Floyds, for clarity, is also on that list.
And Surly is #1 on the Beer Advocate list (Three Floyds #10). https://www.beeradvocate.com/mag/986/top-50-american-breweries/
I agree. I sought it out last year because it was in So Cal for the first time. Meh. Didn't bother buying this year.
I'd never say Surly or Three Floyds are bad breweries, they both make some seriously delicious brews; but saying their IPAs are better than any brewery on the East Coast is just straight up crazy talk.
So you are saying that two breweries that are top 10 breweries in the world by consensus across several publications make a worse product than every single IPA that is made in a state that touches the Atlantic?
Beer Advocate has Three Floyds ZombieDust as its #2 rated American Pale Ale behind fellow midwesterner Toppling Goliath PseudoSue. https://www.beeradvocate.com/lists/style/97/ They have Todd the Axe Man at #12 in their American IPA category. https://www.beeradvocate.com/lists/style/116/ I'll own it. Midbest.
a. Publications that were quoted from 10 YEARS AGO, when almost all of the East Coast breweries that are making great IPAs didn't even exist yet. b. Wrong. See quote: He is saying the opposite, all I did was refute that. I think there are a few IPAs made by East Coast breweries that are better than Surly and Three Floyd's IPAs. NOT all of them. I don't think anyone would argue that. Didn't realize we were talking about American Pale Ale's. Oh wait, WE WEREN'T. Great argument, Todd The Axe Man is #12. Did you even look at the rest of the list? The 11 before it are all EAST COAST BREWERIES. Are you people serious? This is why Trump got elected. Smh.
doesn't mean you're right either. speaking as someone who has impeccable taste, you might even call it the best taste, the midwest is #1.
I guess you were focused on just IPAs but when I said it I was meaning the full lineup of the breweries. Which for a Surly would include Darkness, Damien (son of Darkness), Blakkr (collaboration with Three Floyds), Furious, Cynic, Bender, Cacao Bender, etc which is a wide-spanning lineup with delicious beers in many categories. Winnesota!
We were only talking about IPAs. That was the entire discussion. If you want to include a breweries entire catalog this is a different argument altogether, to which I wouldn't disagree with you so vehemently.
Surly's hoppy beers are the tits and also the balls. I have not had a version that isn't absolutely fantastic. Bender is fine. Coffee Bender is fine. Darkness is oh my god amazing. Cynic is way underrated.
fuck it, I'll say it - I tried some Pale ales / IPAs from Half Acre, Surly, etc. recently and there's no fucking way they can hold a candle to a lot of East coast IPAs