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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Redav, Sep 1, 2012.
yeah he had a wrist injury
Love our secondary next year. I think the starters will be Reed, LeCounte, Stokes, and Campbell. At nickel, I think odds-on favorite has to be Divaad, but I'm really pulling for Webb or Speed to make a move here. They both showed a lot of promise early and then kind of fell off the map. I think they were dealing with injuries though.
Poole, Brini, and, to a somewhat lesser extent, McGhee are garbage. None of them should ever play over any of the other folks mentioned in your post.
Yea, it's the depth behind them that has me most concerned. Not really worried about safety, but corner could be an issue.
I'm not ready to write off LeCounte yet. He showed flashes of a superstar in some games and plays incredibly fast. His performance against USC last year may be the best I've seen from a UGA safety since 10, 4, 17, and 6 were roaming our secondary. He just needs to work on his angles and wrapping up. Those are things that can be sorted out through practice and reps.
I'm an eternal pessimist with UGA football. I think our offense may struggle next year and is an injury to Fromm, Swift, Holloman, or Woerner away from disaster.
But I'm not concerned about DBs this year. Stokes and Campbell are strong starters. Webb, Daniel, Speed, Divaad, and Stevenson will provide solid depth there. McGhee has starting experience and shown he can at least be serviceable. Smith is someone I'm higher on than most. I think he will step-up if his number is called. Throw in Elam and we got ourselves a stew goin'
I think most every realistic Georgia fan is.
agreed. Tried saying the same on the team board a couple of weeks ago, but everyone giving up on him or acting like he sucked is crazy. He has to put on a little more weight, take better angles, and tackle in space better, but he also was around the ball all year. He made some ridiculous plays in coverage and his closing speed is special. The thing about him is, its not like a normal undersized guy thats not physical. Lecounte throws his body around and isnt scared to hit anyone. He just doesnt wrap up worth a shit a lot of times. I expect him to be one of the leaders of the team and one of the best players on the team next year
I don't remember anyone acting like he truly sucks or giving up on him. Most people just expected him to be better at this point.
But instead of making a tackle he'd rather try to knock someone out. He's not big enough for that, never will be. His angles are often pretty bad. He was EE and heading into year three, it's time for him to turn the corner.
Hot take alert: LeCounte has actually played better than I ever expected at this stage. I thought he was overrated coming in. He doesn't have 5 star size and his camp speed wasn't elite. As spydog said though his game speed and closing speed are insane. He has a great nose for the ball and plays instinctual, without hesitation, which is not something you expect to see how of a young defender.
Idk seemed like he was the one constantly getting shit on everywhere by our fans. Go search his name in the 2018 thread on Dawgzy and woof
Yea, I definitely thought he was going to be really good from the jump.
Oh, gotcha. Yea, but everyone catches some shit at some point by someone. Usually a bad in-game take or the like.
“The Ole Miss coaches, minus Luke (already visited Mingo in December) were at Jonathan Mingo's school and house one last time last Wednesday before signing day. Coach Smart and the Georgia receiver coach were at Mingo's house as well. They went in first. The Ole Miss coaches followed. One important note is that Mingo's extended family arrived for the Ole Miss home visit. Jonathan will go to Georgia this weekend for his scheduled official. MSU was desperately trying to get him in this weekend for an unofficial visit. Their receiver coach went back to Green Bay recently, and they hired Michael Johnson from Oregon. Coach Johnson recruited Mingo so they had a prior relationship but nothing like he has at Ole Miss with Nix and Peeler or even Georgia for that matter. Ole Miss saw MSU as more of a threat than Georgia, but we have seen what the Dawgs can do at the last minute (Nakobe Dean) as well. It will be anxious times for sure, in my opinion, although you can't compare Mingo to Nakobe since Dean was never committed to Ole Miss at any point in his recruitment. Also, Ole Miss has momma on their side with Mingo.”
Dude's from Pearl, MS. #EHOSIGNMEUP
I have no idea how we're closing. Now Seither is saying we no longer lead and Bama is up there with us. Just give me an offensive playmaker and Elam
Pickens and Elam or fire Kirby
Rusty's Ramblings - Dawgs set to host some top targets
-Today is the last day of visits on the road for UGA staff until mid April. Kirby Smart will not be allowed back on the recruiting trail until after September 1st and like many coaches he rarely gets out until after the season. The last few weeks he has been coast to coast literally by our acconts.
With that being said UGA will host one official visitor this weekend in Jonathan Mingo, an Ole Miss WR commit. He is bringing his family with him so this one looks serious.
-It has been hard to get much out of these last few remaining 2019 targets. The one prospect that I feel that UGA has made a big move with is George Pickens of Hoover. I am not saying my final decision is Georgia as of right now. Let me be clear, but I do think this deal is much closer than I ever anticipated. A very connected source told me this week, that Pickens came very close to signing with Georgia in December. I also confirmed that he had an L.O.I from Athens if he wanted to do it that day.
Cortez Hankton and James Coley have both been involved here hard the last month and half for sure.
-Just my observation with Nick Cross coming without family, I would still lean towards Penn State at this time. Georgia has him on campus again and did in the fall. He has seen Athens enough to make that decision if he should. Just have to see what we hear after this weekend. I don’t think he ends up at Florida State. That takes me back to Mingo bringing his family and that tells me that is a serious trip as well.
-As reported this week, Georgia will host Miami WR and grad transfer Lawrence Cager. He is legit 6-foot-5 and if UGA gets him, he would not count in this class, he would count against the 2020 intial number. Just want to make that clear.
-A name that I saw play earlier in the year that had a breakout senior season is Ty James of GAC. He is verbally committed to Yale at WR, but Georgia has offered him a PWO and with his grades, he will get a lot of academic money should he choose Georgia. He and his family will be on campus this weekend, I am telling you this guy is impressive and it would be a steal if UGA can get him to come to Athens.
Some weekend visitors that are not 2019 that Dawgs247 has confirmed are posted below:
Timothy Smith -2020 Top247 DT out of Florida will be back on campus and he will be staying two days per his coach. He is a big time target of several schools including Clemson and Alabama.
Gunner Stockton – 2022 National Maxpreps Freshman of the year. The QB from Rabun County has a big buzz around him already. It would not surprise me at all if Georgia offered this weekend.
Jay Hardy –The 2020 DL out of Chattanooga has good size, I saw him in person earlier this week. He is really interested in Georgia and his family will be him as well for their first trip to Athens.
Cane Berrong -2021 TE from Hart County that has seen his recruitment pick up in the last few weeks. I really like his upside after seeing him at Georgia Elite and he ran great at the All-American bowl combine for his size.
Rusty says Cross to PSU
Smallwood says Cross to UGA
Congrats to the Noles for holding onto Cross...
Ty James should go to Yale imo
Our mods are the worst
I'm meh on Cross. Rather have Elam but I get the feeling we are behind for him. It seems like we've stumbled a bit to close. I guess it's the staff turnover as compared to last year.
Yeah, losing both coordinators is pretty ridiculous.
***Update on Kaiir Elam
23 minutes agoVIP
Checked with sources throughout the week. Kaiir is thinking about this one long and hard. The family connection to Florida is a strong one. Last summer, he was basically telling players on that team he planned to come in and put his name on the walls.
Charlton Warren knows the family and has been recruiting Elam a long time. That did not hurt Georgia, bringing him in. But there is a strong family connection with Torrian Gray and that has helped Florida tremendously there. If you are Florida, you are probably cautiously optimistic because of those family ties to Gray and the program.
They are going to discuss things over this weekend and I believe they will tell the programs very early next week. This one is neck-and-neck at the moment. Both programs have had their final in-home visit with Elam, with Mullen going in Monday and Smart on Tuesday. They can still talk to Elam and his family on the phone and I am sure they will do that as frequently as possible. We will continue to track this with what we hear. As we have seen with Trey Sanders, Nakobe Dean, things can change quickly and often.
Welp, onto the next one.
VIP Nugget: Georgia to check in on priority target
While Georgia is looking to finish up the 2019 cycle, the Bulldogs' coaching staff is also making sure to continue its search for help in the 2020 class as well. One of the top targets on the board is four-star defensive end Zykeivous Walker (Ellaville, Ga./Schley County)
Last Friday, outside linebackers' coach Dan Lanning and went to see Walker play basketball. Head coach Kirby Smart flew in earlier that day. Dawgs247 confirmed Thursday night that area recruiter Scott Fountain will be in Friday to see Walker play basketball as well. The 6-foot-4, 255-pound junior visited Georgia last weekend, a place he had already been to more than any other program.
"I have a great time anytime I visit Georgia," Walker said. "Especially for games, the atmosphere is crazy."
Walker had 53 tackles, 14.5 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks, 19 quarterback hurries, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, a touchdown run, and a touchdown catch during his junior season. The Bulldogs see a hybrid role for him at the next level.
"Georgia likes me as a jack off the edge, just killing people," Walker said. "I think that is where my money will be at. Either putting my hand in the dirt or standing up on the edge and just coming after people."
Ranked by the industry-generated 247Sports Composite as the nation's No. 142 prospect, No. 6 outside linebacker, and No. 17 overall recruit in Georgia, Walker says the in-state program is making the biggest push.
"Georgia is recruiting me the hardest," Walker said. "Coach Fountain is always checking up on me. He texts me more than anybody. They just want me to keep on working and getting stronger.
"Georgia has done the best job recruiting me so far. They stay on me and they make sure I feel loved. Florida would be next."
Dawgs247 continues to hear that Georgia has positioned itself well in his recruitment.
"It is a good school," Walker said. "I feel like if I went to Georgia, I would fit in. Right now, I am still enjoying the process and trying to figure everything out. I could not say where I would sign if I had to today, but I know Georgia would get a hat at the table."
Gurley’s usage in the Super Bowl was weird as hell. He looked like the Rams’ best player when he touched the ball. In a close game like that, he should’ve gotten 25 carries.
The broadcast kept mentioning that he was healthy, but I don't see how that is possible.
Looked pretty healthy on his runs. I’m guessing he wasn’t 100%, but he looked like he wanted more and the rest of their offense was trash.
Agree. Really strange not using the best back in the league in the biggest game of your life.
Best thing about the Super Bowl is the Saints getting screwed over because they would have won it all last night IMO
So Wiltfong says we are out for Cross
That game was boring as hell.
This time of year blows when we suck at b-ball.
At least there's some Champions league action the next two weeks and then Spring Training.
Actually like watching golf(I know). So that fills my sports needs for the time being.
I love watching golf and the NBA so I don’t mind this time. I just hate late summer leading up to football
This offseason has been unbearable with the Harper/Machado rumor mill. I need some actual baseball in the worst way.
I'll watch more NBA now but I still will only watch the games with superstars playing in them.
I'll actually be watching more college hoops too. I'll watch any big time matchup.
Before you know it spring ball starts and reports will begin
Can't wait for this years surprise with a huge spring game that never does anything in an actual game.
Apparently Anthony Edwards is down to us and FSU. He cancelled his UNC trip and it’s visiting FSU and then committing. Congrats FSU
No interest in watching golf or the NBA. Lot of projects get done around the TD house this time of year.
Sunday at a Major is prime TV imo
Eh I'm just not a golf guy, I don't even really enjoy playing it. Very unpopular opinion, I know.
Nah, I get it. I can't play anymore. Fucking sucks.
Paced by two of the program’s most recognizable names, Georgia’s 1994 class is just as known for those who got away
By Seth Emerson 3h ago 7
The undersized rookie from south Georgia would eventually be remembered for his energy, leadership and ball-hawking abilities. But when Kirby Smart first arrived on the Georgia football team, all he felt was inadequate
“I can still remember sitting in the locker room, and I was sitting there with Whit Marshall and Will Muschamp,” Smart once said, mentioning two of the other safeties when he arrived. “And I looked up at all those players and I said, ‘I will never play here.’ ”
A short time later, Smart found himself in a UGA parking lot with a fellow freshman he had befriended, Hines Ward, the two chasing golf balls hit by senior quarterback Eric Zeier. It was a hazing ritual.
“If this is as bad as it gets,” Smart remembered thinking, “I’m OK.”
Twenty-five years ago, Georgia and head coach Ray Goff brought in a 26-member signing class that would go on to include two of the most recognizable names in program history: Smart, now the head coach, and Ward, a Super Bowl MVP and multimedia star. But the class was more than just those two names.
That class included not one but two players who instead chose to play baseball, including the current first-base coach of the Los Angeles Dodgers, who many think would have been a star running back at Georgia. There also were two highly touted prospects who did not qualify academically but went on to NFL careers.
In many ways, it was the class of the ones who got away. But what was left was a tight-knit group that endured a coaching change, something that may have helped Smart years later when he became Georgia’s new coach. And that class of ’94 also helped start a Georgia bowl appearance streak that stands to this day.
“We feel good about what we tried to help establish, which was much more than when we arrived on campus,” said receiver Corey Allen, who would go on to catch one of the most consequential touchdowns that decade. “When I arrived on campus, we hoped and wanted to compete for a championship. And now these young men expect to compete for a championship.”
There are asterisks next to two names on page 20 of the 1994 Georgia football media guide. One is next to Al Davis, a receiver from Nashville, Tenn., who was drafted by and signed with the Pittsburgh Pirates. The other asterisk is next to George Lombard, a running back out of the Lovett School in Atlanta who would be pulled away by a team closer to home.
Lombard had the look of a college football star. He was a Parade All-American and USA Today All-American who drew Bobby Bowden, Steve Spurrier and Lou Holtz to his house. It was quite a coup when Goff was able to sign him. And despite his status as a good baseball prospect, Lombard had informed someone on Goff’s staff that he intended to enroll at Georgia and become the next Herschel Walker, Tim Worley or Garrison Hearst.
(Courtesy of Georgia Athletics)
So Goff and one of his assistants went to one of Lombard’s baseball games early that summer, just to be seen and show support. But someone else was there: Atlanta Braves general manager John Schuerholz, whose team had picked Lombard in the second round. Schuerholz and Goff had a nice conversation. But the wheels were in motion by the Braves.
“Next day they transfer him to Mississippi to play baseball,” Goff said, laughing ruefully. “They wanted to get him away so we couldn’t see. It might not be the case, but it happened the next day after me and one of my coaches were at the game.”
Lombard signed with the Braves for $425,000 and opted to pursue baseball full-time rather than try the Deion Sanders/Bo Jackson route. Lombard reached the majors with the Braves in 1998, but couldn’t become an MLB regular, bouncing around four different teams, the last the Washington Nationals in 2006. Lombard had more success when he went into coaching, and since 2016 he has been the Dodgers’ first-base coach.
Then there were the two ’94 signees who didn’t qualify. They also could have helped Goff’s cause:
Defensive tackle Cletidus Hunt of Memphis, Tenn., ended up at Kentucky State, then was a third-round pick of the Green Bay Packers, for whom he had 17 sacks in 85 games.
Hunndens Guiseppi Zellner — otherwise known as Peppi Zellner — did not qualify academically and went to Georgia Military College, then to Fort Valley State. Zellner was eventually a fourth-round pick of the Dallas Cowboys, spending six seasons in the NFL.
“He might’ve been the best one,” Goff said, meaning in the class.
But it’s not as if the class didn’t still produce good players.
Five players who actually enrolled at Georgia in 1994 would go on to appear in the NFL: fullback Larry Bowie, offensive tackle Chris Terry, tight end Larry Brown, offensive lineman Paul Snellings and, of course, Ward.
Allen and Ward grew up together, playing baseball. Allen committed to Georgia first, and for a time expected Ward to go to Notre Dame or Florida State, which was pushing another two-sport star named Ward — Charlie Ward — as an example. But the home-state school persuaded Hines to stay home. Ward actually played running back as a freshman, taking hits as an undersized back, but he was willing to do it to be more versatile for the next level.
“Hines was always focused on getting to the next level,” Allen said. “He had a goal that was very much different than anybody else in our class. His sole purpose in coming to Athens was to get a better situation for his mother, and that’s how he worked day in and day out. It actually made me a better player because I had a guy sleeping in the bed next to mine who was always going to be determined and focused.”
But ambition and being a good teammate are not mutually exclusive. Ward moved around from running back to quarterback to receiver, helping himself and the team.
“It wasn’t a lot of fun, for him, or for us,” Goff said. “But he had a great sophomore year playing for us at quarterback. I mean, we played the Peach Bowl and played Virginia, which had a really good football team. It was a really close game, and he was outstanding, running and throwing. He was a really smart young man. And a really great football player.”
Then there was Kirby Smart of Bainbridge, Ga., whose father Sonny was a longtime high school coach. Goff recruited south Georgia, so he knew the Smart family well.
Kirby Smart would go on to be named first-team All-SEC as a senior in 1998. (Andy Lyons / Allsport)
“We looked at Kirby and thought he was going to be a good player,” Goff said. “And also we would, in my mind I always tried to get a high school coach’s son some leeway as a player, because you felt like those high school coaches would help you later down the road. Fortunately, that did help us a few times. But also you knew a coach’s kid knew what the game was about. So we never shied away from signing a high school coach’s son.”
Smart has recalled that he “missed about 100 tackles in a scrimmage as a freshman.” He ended up redshirting. But he finished his career near the top of the school record books in interceptions, was first-team All-SEC and planted the seeds for his coaching career. Allen remembers Smart being one of the first safeties to also be a return specialist.
“He was a lot more elusive than we thought,” Allen said. “He was never a big hitter. He could sneak up on you. But Kirby has always been a student of the game. He’s always been in the right position. And he coached that defense, whether he was a starter or not, Kirby came on the field and was a loud voice. We all respected him because of the work he put in.”
Allen remembers many of the recruits coming on the same one or two visits, sitting in the stands and watching Georgia play Kentucky and Tony Delk. A few targets who went elsewhere — Fred Taylor and Reidel Anthony — were on the visit. They both ended up with Spurrier at Florida.
A few other players didn’t pan out. Defensive back Armin Love was considered a big get out of Texas, but he only lettered at Georgia for one season. Gilbert Grantlin, a speedster out of Florida, ended up at Valdosta State.
But there were some on-field high notes:
The class would go on to participate in the first overtime in SEC history: It came late in the ’96 season at Auburn, when Allen caught a 31-yard touchdown pass on the last play in regulation, forcing overtime. It would take four overtimes, with Georgia winning 56-49.
The seniors would go on to win other big games. And several of them — Allen, punter Dax Langley, defensive lineman Travis Stroudt, even offensive lineman Brooks Brodie, who had transferred to Alabama — were in attendance when Smart was introduced as the head coach nearly two decades later.
If more of the class members had been able to stick around, or even make it to campus, it could have made a difference for the coaching staff that signed them. But Goff takes the high road, not blaming the players who didn’t work out for his demise.
“You can also say that. But you can also say that maybe we didn’t coach them well,” Goff said. “We had some really good coaches on our staff, we had some really good players, and sometimes it just doesn’t work. You mesh people together and think they’re all going to get along, and sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t.”
Then Goff thinks for a moment.
“We were blessed to have some really good kids,” he said.
His problem seems to be that he trusts his instincts too much, and will abandon his assignment if he sees a play developing a certain way. Sometimes, it pays off, and sometimes it costs us.
He also seems like not a particularly sure tackler.
I think I've moved into "don't take anyone else" in this class. Get Wolf and Cager.
Save the scholarships because this Sr class is really small. Going to need some attrition plus Thomas, Wilson, etc leave early to take a full 2020 class.
In a very quick skim of the roster, I only counted 12 scholarship seniors in 2019. Holy shit.