The West Wing

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by StinkyP1nky, Jul 11, 2009.

  1. Whammy Business

    Whammy Business Well-Known Member
    Donor

    Maggie might be top-3 characters I despised on TV shows I really liked.
     
    TheoB, Cawgs or Gie! and Fusiontegra like this.
  2. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    I completely agree. I listened to the entire West Wing Weekly podcast and apparently a lot of his work and especially WW is being perceived this way by a decent amount of people.
     
  3. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
    Staff Donor

    making a woman the audience stand in doesn't really refute any criticism and might support it tbh

    i find the critiques of his ability to write women much flimsier in the WW world than his other works though
     
  4. Whammy Business

    Whammy Business Well-Known Member
    Donor

    I think some of the criticism is warranted. That said, I think Donna is a device for exposition as well as to demonstrate the fact Josh is a douche. I think there's a turning point in Donna's story and things resolve relatively well.
     
    1 other person likes this.
  5. Whammy Business

    Whammy Business Well-Known Member
    Donor

    I don't necessarily disagree.
     
    Lyrtch likes this.
  6. Fusiontegra

    Fusiontegra My life is dope and I do dope shit.#SparedByThanos
    Donor TMB OG
    Florida GatorsMiami MarlinsJacksonville JaguarsAvengersMiami HeatWu-tang

    Those walk and talks are the equivalent of Adam McKay throwing celebrities into The Big Short to explain finance/stock market ideas, only way more subtle.
     
  7. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    I get the critique with WW and Donna, but he used Charlie in a similar way a number of times with Bartlett. The difference was that Charlie was made to be a perfect human being while Donna had a bunch of flaky moments where it's understandable that some in the audience might think she was stupid. I think that was the bigger issue with Donna than just her being the audience stand in.
     
    Lyrtch likes this.
  8. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    Mandy. And she's the worst.
     
    TheoB and Cawgs or Gie! like this.
  9. Whammy Business

    Whammy Business Well-Known Member
    Donor

    I was talking about Maggie in Newsroom. But I agree Mandy sucks.
     
    SC, MG2 and Cawgs or Gie! like this.
  10. SC

    SC It's All Happening.
    Donor TMB OG
    Atlanta BravesMemphis GrizzliesCarolina PanthersTennisMississippi Rebels

    “Well she’s wearing underwear, Mrs. Landingham. She hasn’t gone smokeless.”
     
    mccar2cm and gus_chiggins like this.
  11. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Any of you guys seen Molly’s Game yet? Watched it last night and loved it. It’s Sorkin af
     
  12. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Happy 80th to the goat president

     
    1 other person, BayouMafia and MG2 like this.
  13. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    This tweet deserves its own post

     
  14. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    Good to see him moving around so well without the cane. We've made a lot of strides against MS over the last 14 years.
     
    beist, Homo Erectus, SC and 1 other person like this.
  15. Fusiontegra

    Fusiontegra My life is dope and I do dope shit.#SparedByThanos
    Donor TMB OG
    Florida GatorsMiami MarlinsJacksonville JaguarsAvengersMiami HeatWu-tang

    it was okay and I wanted to love it.

    Given the cast and Sorkin, I expected more.
     
    RalfBully likes this.
  16. SC

    SC It's All Happening.
    Donor TMB OG
    Atlanta BravesMemphis GrizzliesCarolina PanthersTennisMississippi Rebels

     
    Fusiontegra, afb and MG2 like this.
  17. BayouMafia

    BayouMafia slowly learning that life is ok
    Staff Donor
    FulhamLSU TigersNew Orleans SaintsTexas Rangers

    Oh how I loved that show
     
    SC and gus_chiggins like this.
  18. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Easily an all time top 5 for me
     
  19. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    "I am a citizen" is one of my favorite TV show lines ever
     
    BWC, mccar2cm and SC like this.
  20. beist

    beist Hyperbolist
    Donor

    That was the first scene of the west wing that I ever saw. I was just flipping channels and it was on, and I was hooked. Turned out to be a different show than I expected but still obviously great.
     
    , SC, Fusiontegra and 1 other person like this.
  21. SC

    SC It's All Happening.
    Donor TMB OG
    Atlanta BravesMemphis GrizzliesCarolina PanthersTennisMississippi Rebels

    <3 Stage performance/reading of Hartsfield's Landing. Part of Michelle Obama's voting awareness non-profit.
     
    Cawgs or Gie!, , MG2 and 2 others like this.
  22. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Please more WW. I’ll take it in any form
     
  23. BayouMafia

    BayouMafia slowly learning that life is ok
    Staff Donor
    FulhamLSU TigersNew Orleans SaintsTexas Rangers

  24. Cawgs or Gie!

    Cawgs or Gie! The next Jordy Nelson, obviously.
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsAtlanta BravesAtlanta FalconsAtlanta UnitedLiverpool

    Sam still got it. First person to live to 150.
     
    1 other person likes this.
  25. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Pretty pumped for this

     
    War Grundle, Fusiontegra, SC and 3 others like this.
  26. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    Am curious what the relationship is like now between Sorkin and Lowe. Saw an interview with John Wells from a few years ago where he talks about Sorkin's issues in season four were mostly centered around (or at least started with) "wanting to fire one actor who was unhappy with his contract and got to the point that he just stopped writing for him," and later said that actor did not stick around. Lowe is the only person who fits that description.
     
  27. Deuce

    Deuce Well-Known Member
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsBirmingham Legion

    Sterling Brown is playing Leo?

    Seems odd to have someone play Leo.
     
    gus_chiggins likes this.
  28. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    According to the west wing weekly podcast, they seem to be on good terms now and have been for a while, but there certainly was some contention between them back during season 4
     
    MG2 likes this.
  29. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    The way Wells told the story, it sounded like pretty much everyone on the cast was done with Lowe by the end of his run because of the contract thing. I imagine a lot of that was because he was already making the most of everyone, if I'm not mistaken.
     
    gus_chiggins likes this.
  30. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
    Staff Donor

    isn't it that Lowe was hired under the impression he was the star then the show quickly became about all the characters relatively equally? I imagine his contract negotiations reflected that reality when it came time to negotiate going from star to a piece of an ensemble
     
    Cawgs or Gie! and gus_chiggins like this.
  31. SC

    SC It's All Happening.
    Donor TMB OG
    Atlanta BravesMemphis GrizzliesCarolina PanthersTennisMississippi Rebels

    Well you can’t just write out Leo’s lines.
     
    gus_chiggins and MG2 like this.
  32. MG2

    MG2 No judgement in brainstorming
    Donor

    I have no clue what Lowe originally thought, but everything I've ever seen/read has suggested it was always about the ensemble. Only thing that seemed different was the president got a much bigger part once they brought Sheen in.

    Lowe's always seemed to jump from one thing to the next, though.
     
  33. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Yeah, it was something like that. After the show became a hit, the rest of the cast got a big raise. When Lowe asked about his, the network pretty much said you’ve had your raise since the beginning
     
  34. SC

    SC It's All Happening.
    Donor TMB OG
    Atlanta BravesMemphis GrizzliesCarolina PanthersTennisMississippi Rebels

    He got mad when he found out Sheen was making nearly 3 times as much as he was per episode, while the rest of the cast got their salaries boosted to match Lowe basically. Rob wanted a bump and didn’t get it.
     
    MG2 likes this.
  35. Fusiontegra

    Fusiontegra My life is dope and I do dope shit.#SparedByThanos
    Donor TMB OG
    Florida GatorsMiami MarlinsJacksonville JaguarsAvengersMiami HeatWu-tang

    I get the reason. And I love Sterling Brown.

    The only weirdness for me will be that he's so much younger than pretty much everyone in the cast. Considering Leo is probably close to, if not older than, Bartlett in the series; him having the same air of respect from the rest of the staff is a little lost. I mean, he's younger than Dule Hill.
     
    gus_chiggins likes this.
  36. Deuce

    Deuce Well-Known Member
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsBirmingham Legion

    I didn’t realize it was remake, thought it was a new episode. I saw him listed in the tweet and saw he was playing Leo and found it odd. I think he’s great, but will be odd to see a younger Leo.

    Regardless excited to watch.
     
    gus_chiggins and Fusiontegra like this.
  37. Fusiontegra

    Fusiontegra My life is dope and I do dope shit.#SparedByThanos
    Donor TMB OG
    Florida GatorsMiami MarlinsJacksonville JaguarsAvengersMiami HeatWu-tang

    My wife doesn't know that Leo's actor(name escapes me and I'm not going to look it up) died. And she definitely doesn't know that he dies during the series(we're right around the special's episode in season 3 right now).
     
    BayouMafia likes this.
  38. Rebelution

    Rebelution I'm not superstitious but I am a little stitious.
    Donor

    Sorkin has said the original intention was for the show to be centered around the Seaborn character and the president was going to be an unseen or very minor character.
     
    MG2 likes this.
  39. SC

    SC It's All Happening.
    Donor TMB OG
    Atlanta BravesMemphis GrizzliesCarolina PanthersTennisMississippi Rebels

    John Spencer.
     
  40. TheoB

    TheoB Well-Known Member
    Los Angeles LakersLos Angeles Angels of Anaheim

    I remember Lowe and Whitford having small Twitter arguments during these recent heightened political times (very liberal whitford and either conservative or indifferent Lowe). I guess they just leave it in the twitterverse.
     
  41. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Whitford and Josh Malina’s twitter burn sessions have gotten stale. It was funny at first but come on
     
  42. Detlef Schrempf

    Detlef Schrempf Well-Known Member
    Donor

    Really enjoyed the stage version of Hartsfield Landing
     
    mccar2cm, 49ers169, beist and 3 others like this.
  43. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Would you happen to have a link? Don’t have hbo max
     
  44. War Grundle

    War Grundle Nole Mercy
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay Rays

    Sorkin was just on Lowe’s podcast this past week and says he will come back on soon. They seemed pretty close to me.
     
  45. Detlef Schrempf

    Detlef Schrempf Well-Known Member
    Donor

    I watched in on hbo max
     
    gus_chiggins likes this.
  46. hudson

    hudson Oh, you know...stuff.
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersCincinnati BearcatsAtlanta BravesPortland Trail BlazersTampa Bay BuccaneersPittsburgh PenguinsFulham

    I love the west wing. I think I'll sit out the reboot.
     
  47. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    It’s not a reboot. It’s an episode from season 3 performed in a theatre setting
     
    War Grundle likes this.
  48. hudson

    hudson Oh, you know...stuff.
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersCincinnati BearcatsAtlanta BravesPortland Trail BlazersTampa Bay BuccaneersPittsburgh PenguinsFulham

    I'll sit that out too.
     
  49. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Cool
     
  50. Detlef Schrempf

    Detlef Schrempf Well-Known Member
    Donor

    It’s really great. Sterling Brown was great as Leo.