This stuff going down in Cuba

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  1. El Tiburon

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    It’s a topic near and dear to my heart obviously, and I’m hoping that these protests are the start of actual change. But holy shit even in this moment where Cuban Americans should be expressing solidarity and presenting a united front, it’s being completely contaminated with right-wing political bullshit all over my social media. It is fucking pathetic how even something as unrelated to Trump as Cuba is has become a circle-jerk among Cuban Americans praising Trump and blaming Biden for the likely inevitable failure of these protests. Sickening.
     
  2. CaneKnight

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    I mean... these protests just might be the CIA :laugh:

    Also south Florida Cubans are pound for pound as awful as evangelicals.
     
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  3. Lyrtch

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    finding even decent reporting on this for obvious reasons is basically impossible
     
  4. beerleagueman

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    I feel ya and it’s in the fabric of Florida so it is something that has major implications. I don’t like some parts of the left though turning into conspiracy theorists and denying reality like Ben Norton and others
     
  5. CF3234

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    Not discrediting what you are seeing on your social medial, but mine which is obviously also extremely filled with a ton Cuban American friends/family/acquaintances has very few posts taking shots at Biden or praising trump and is instead just supporting the people in Cuba.

    there are obviously plenty of politicians trying to make this about themselves, but that’s just par for the course anytime something in the world happens.
     
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  6. Tobias

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    you'd be a little angry too if bernie sanders murdered your wealthy grandparents in the 50's
     
  7. herb.burdette

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    This seems doomed to fail, but admittedly I am not well versed in what’s happening now.
     
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  8. Duck70

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    :laugh: I forgot about that
     
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  9. El Tiburon

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    How devoutly Catholic is your social circle? Keep in mind most of my childhood friends were from my Catholic school years. This marriage of religion and politics is about as toxic a stew as anyone could devise. They don’t even acknowledge their own contradictions.
     
  10. Duck70

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    Basically Cubans have rightful reason to be pissed off at oppressive dictorital regime. Lack of jobs, COVID slow vaccine rollout, food shortages, you name it.

    The American Right then swoops in and co-opts the movement for political points and which basically discredits the entire thing. Same shit they did with human trafficking.
     
  11. CF3234

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    very. My family is very devout catholic and hard right when it comes to politics.

    What is happening is that the tenuous at best social structure is breaking down because COVID is still spreading like wildfire among the poor and the access to healthcare is non-existent for those who need it most.

    Unfortunately, all these people can do is protest. They have no power otherwise. The govt will arrest these people, arrest their families, and it will be over in a week. Unless the world at large decides to take notice and put pressure on the govt, which they won't, nothing is changing.
     
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  12. poor paul

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    Listened to the hour Dan Lebatard and friends did this morning on it, obviously most of the show is Cuban Americans so I found their voice particularly illustrative.
     
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  14. CF3234

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    I love that Dan is more than willing to be the voice of the Cuban people. The fact that he is vocally liberal cuts through the people who would just as quickly rip the messenger to shreds without ever listening to a word he says.
     
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  15. El Tiburon

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    Dan is a rarity among Cuban American commentators. He’s a very logical and analytical guy with good insight. Unfortunate the louder voices in the community hear the word “socialism” and their eyes roll back into their heads while they foam at the mouth and immerse their minds in Trump themed erotica.
     
  16. poor paul

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    Oh I'm aware of the political leanings of most Cuban Americans, just think Dan and crew are so interesting and nuanced on this topic.
     
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  17. Henry Blake

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    Do you think there's ground to be gained for Biden among Cuban voters if he were to relax/remove sanctions?
     
  18. El Tiburon

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    If you were thinking in terms of logic, you might conclude yes. However, I’m already seeing responses to posts with people claiming that any normalizing of relations is tantamount to propping up the regime and that the only true answer is the embargo…you know, the one that hasn’t worked to force regime change for the last 70 years. That embargo.
     
  19. CF3234

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    There's no ground to be gained here by either party at this point.

    The older cuban crowd will never support anything that will benefit the current regime. The younger crowd either has already decided to follow the older crowd or split away and support more liberal policies.

    Relaxing/removing sanctions will just draw the same exact line in the sand that already exists.
     
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  20. Redav

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    No
     
  21. beerleagueman

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    removing the sanctions would make them hate him even more . There is no nuisance on this issue for the majority as long as there is no Democracy on the Island
     
  22. Fran Tarkenton

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    The actual Cuban Republicans 100% do not want to see regime change there

    This political football is their lifeblood and any solution or new approach would be an existential threat.
     
  23. El Tiburon

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    As a junior in high school I had to do a group project/term paper for our government class discussing glasnost and perestroika. This was the late 1980s. As a group we concluded that the normalizing of relations with communist countries in Europe would likely accelerate the fall of communism. A month after submitting the paper the Berlin Wall fell. We were a bunch of 16 year old shitheads and even we could figure it out with just a modicum of educating ourselves on the topic.

    Fast forward to 2021 and some of the same guys who were part of that project are actively agitating on Facebook opposing any normalizing of relations with Cuba.
     
  24. Lyrtch

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    about the only bullets left in the chamber from this perspective are literal bullets
     
  25. Lyrtch

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    funnily enough that was the same argument with China

    so far....not going that way at all
     
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  26. El Tiburon

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    China is a completely different animal for a number of reasons that couldn’t possibly be covered in detail here.
     
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  27. Lyrtch

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    dont disagree just think the global liberalization project mostly missed the material condition reasons for the fall of the USSR when people talk about it
     
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  28. IV

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    I’m stunned they called them democratic socialist, but I guess they had to juxtapose
     
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  29. CF3234

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    Are you speaking only of politicians? Because if you are just talking about the people, you couldn't be any more wrong.
     
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  30. IV

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    can you expand? You can DM me or start a new thread if you want I love discussing these topics
     
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  31. steamengine

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    I bet the SoFla WhatsApp groups are lit
     
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  32. CF3234

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    the standard mix of people with sources in cuba sharing info, the old heads reposting every #sosCuba image they see on facebook, etc. This is old hat for us at this point.

    Every few years there is a bit of light that something could change before it inevitably goes back to normal with no changes.
     
  33. Redav

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    The second sentence seems to indicate he's talking about politicians
     
  34. beerleagueman

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    They developed 2 COVID vaccines each 90%+ effective against it. That god damn socialized medicine I tell ya
     
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  36. IV

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    honestly been impressed with how many different vaccines have been developed across the globe
     
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  37. Fran Tarkenton

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    I thought we were talking about politicians and not laypersons, that is why I said Republicans.
     
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  38. Craig Pettis

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    If this happens let me get in that DM too. I won’t participate or add much, but I’ll watch with great interest

    similar to my sex life
     
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  39. Fran Tarkenton

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    JMO but a Dictator is always weakest at dawn. Especially without any event to consolidate power. This seems like a test of that whether its orchestrated or organic.
     
  40. CF3234

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    and yet the people don't have access to it...
     
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  41. Bo Pelinis

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    If we have seen anything about our involvement in dictatorships over the years it's that stringent economic policies towards them usually helps make them go away like North Korea and free trade doesn't help the standard of living for their citizens or involvement in free trade as part of the global community like China.
     
  42. JGator1

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    Bring back the casinos and the mafia Joe!!!!!!
     
  43. Lyrtch

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    the american foreign politics consensus of making the citizens in countries we don't like lives worse to try to stoke political upheaval is one of the most destructive things everyone kind of just accepts as normal and how to operate without much criticism
     
  44. Bo Pelinis

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    Be real nice if the CIA didn't get involved in the overthrow of nearly every leftist government in the last 70+ years just from like, I don't know, a trusting anyone and their motives perspective.
     
  45. Bo Pelinis

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    We hate the current government and we want their citizens to have a better life and say in their own lives so we do things...that...starve those people? That's like step one on a are we the baddies string of internal questioning.
     
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  46. AlternativeFactsRule

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    If we don’t, it is asking China to become involved and provide aid for the people.
     
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  47. Daniel Ocean

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    Maybe if the US stopped fucking with Cuba it would be in a better place
     
  48. CaneKnight

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    I mean we at least know we’re the baddies. That’s why I have no real thoughts on this, we’ll find out in like a decade after something terrible like a civil war or upheaval happens in Cuba that the CIA and our sanctions drove all of this......
     
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