This stuff going down in Cuba

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  1. CaneKnight

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    Yet you’ve mentioned communism a lot in this thread and refuse to acknowledge that certain groups of Americans are treated in a similar fashion here. Why could that be hmmmmm


    You keep using that freedom buzzword a lot tho
     
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  2. Tobias

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    weird that for a group that doesnt care if its obama or trump consistently voted in large numbers for trump. no polotics
     
  3. Lyrtch

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    the american conception of freedom, especially for right wingers, is DERANGED
     
  4. El Tiburon

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    I wasn’t pointing out to any successes that I’m attributing to Batista. Nor am I sure that there is strong evidence to support that the economy was doing well specifically because of Batista’s policies. There were lots of post war market forces that were driving the economy independent of any policy positions Batista took. The statement/assumption was made that the economy wasn’t doing well when Castro came in and thats just not factually true.
     
  5. Lyrtch

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    the follow up would be is an economy doing well if the benefits of said economy are being sent to american business interests/the mob/and batista loyalists?

    thats one of the obvious critiques of capitalism, an economy can do well but its as you admitted wildly unequal, so the way you define economic success has an ideological bedrock premise that is disputed
     
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    That story is bullshit. Organoponics started in Cuba.

     
  7. CF3234

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    The people on the island protesting don’t vote in US elections…


    more what about… from you. keep trying to distract from the topic at hand, the stuff going on in Cuba. It’s so tired and played out from you where every thread you post in, you chase people around over your grievances with the US govt.
     
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  8. Tobias

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    that story and the cars 2 story are both true sorry
     
  9. beerleagueman

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    Gente de Zona don’t strike me as partisan conservatives and they are screaming Freedom…
     
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  10. High Cotton

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    I'm 80% through the True Flag by Stephen Kinzer, its an excellent overview of post Civil War American Imperialism. Worth the ebay purchase and discusses Cuba, Phillipines, Puerto Rico, etc came to be under American control. Our county has been battling demons since the beginning and today is no different.
     
  11. El Tiburon

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    Right. It wasn’t sustainable long term especially because much of the prosperity was leaving the country. But the unrest in Cuba under Batista wasn’t related to the economy tanking — which is different than what’s going on now where the struggling economy is certainly a factor in the unrest. He was corrupt as fuck, selling off the island for his personal gain, and was stepping up his campaign of murdering his opposition.
     
  12. Fran Tarkenton

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    Fair to say we are approaching Batista levels of economic inequality in America? aka unsustainable.
     
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    Because you and the rest of the right wing Cubans are hypocritical racist pieces of shit who have no problem with Americans who don’t look like you receiving the same treatment here Cubans receive in Cuba, and then you get called out on it but you’re too fucking stupid to even realize how hypocritical and racist it is to call America a place that provides freedom for Cubans. You’re the second dumbest piece of shit on this board you fucking pussy. Your brain is smoother than a babies ass. I’m not sure there’s anything you have any real intelligence on understanding of


    You can’t even respond properly because there’s no defense for being that hypocritical and it would let everyone how you really feel you cunt


    For once in your life be a fucking man and tell the truth.
     
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  14. El Tiburon

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    I think the word “approaching” is doing some heavy lifting there. Certainly, income inequality is a growing concern here and the objective indicators prove that the wealth gap is growing rapidly. I think the two situations and the factors that affect those situations are not quite analogous. But that’s a better conversation for a different thread.
     
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  15. Daniel Ocean

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    wealth gap is widening. The middle class is dying. I don’t think we are approaching anything. We are right in the middle of it and things need to change quickly. Millions of people can’t afford necessities.
    Homelessness is an epidemic and during the pandemic it has gotten so much worse. This system is a failure.
     
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  16. El Tiburon

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    I think your conclusions are an opinion you’re entitled to. I don’t necessarily agree with them as I don’t see the situation as that dire just yet. I’ve spent time in places where the failures are far more glaring and we’re far from that. Again, that’s a better conversation for a different thread because we’d be getting into the weeds of American politics and economics. This thread is to talk about Cuba…and occasionally condiments.
     
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  17. beerleagueman

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    just listened to the Corben-Lebatard convo : some good points made but think both of them overrate Miami’s current and future influence as a political bellwether and ‘the future for America’ . I would argue the Tampa-Orlando I4 Corridor is the more accurate bellwether for the rest of America than Miami. And with the population boom that is happening in Tampa Bay specifically along w Orlando both are gradually taking the influence that Miami Dade has had on tilting the State electorally
     
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  18. Daniel Ocean

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    fair enough. I used to think this country was stronger. I’ve learned that it’s no different than anything else and that it has an expiration date. One side seems hell bent on hastening that date while the other is too stupid, naive, selfish or weak to try stop them.
     
  19. CF3234

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    LMAO at calling me racist for saying the United States of America provides the chance at freedom for Cubans. . You call me a smooth brained idiot, when you haven't been able to make one on topic post ITT. You can't participate in this thread without some kind of what about comparison to the US. So many assumptions and personal attacks. It must be miserable to always be this angry at the world. I pitty you man.
     
  20. El Tiburon

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    Actually this is a take I do agree with. And it’s maddening that the people in a position to do anything about it don’t seem to care. We’re getting limply dragged towards destruction.
     
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  21. Fran Tarkenton

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    This probably does not have to be reduced down to Opinions.

    Probably some way to objectively quantitate wealth inequality in Batista's Cuba vis a vis the Fiscal Conservative Wet Dream America of 2021. Both seeking the same ends.

    I was honestly asking for what wealth inequality looked like in 1950s Cuba, but apparently it was the gilded age levels.
     
  22. El Tiburon

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    In a broad sense, the end results are always the same. Money = power, and generally speaking people cannot be trusted to ever wield unchecked power responsibly. Where the Cuba situation is analogous to the US is that in both cases people stood by and watched quietly while the guardrails were removed in plain sight.
     
  23. Daniel Ocean

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    we probably share more beliefs than disagreements imo. We are both emotionally involved in this topic for different reasons and just were talking past each other. I do hope the people of Cuba get the help they need.
     
  24. JGator1

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    If anyone is interested in pre-revolution Cuba specifically related to organized crime then here's a decent book recommendation

     
  25. Daniel Ocean

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    Fuck capitalism comrade. my library had it so like a good socialist just borrowed it for my kindle.
     
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  26. CF3234

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    the library allowing people to check out E-books is a wonderful thing. Read so many great books in the last few years without having to pirate or pay for a thing.
     
  27. Daniel Ocean

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    It’s my go to now. Only time I download one now is if my library doesn’t have it. My wife usually asks me for more obscure shit and a bunch at a time so for her I’ll visit torrance but for me it’s usually just what I am going to read and I’ll pick up the kindle and audio book if both are available like in this case.
     
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  28. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Compelled to attempt to ration insulin due to cost.

    “This is freedom.”
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  29. AlternativeFactsRule

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    He lives in LA. He’s confronted with homelessness in a way you likely aren’t.
     
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  30. CaneKnight

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    Me and El Tiburon had a very good talk yesterday about the topic at hand. I may not agree with him on everything, but he's not posting deranged shit like you. The problem is you keep coming here pushing that bullshit right wing propaganda then become a pussy when you get called out and do that hide the ball shit. You never say what you really mean. Of all the people on this website you're not allowed to come here and claim how you bad you feel about people in Cuba being brutalized when you could give zero fucks about Americans having the same thing done to them. You will get called out and that's your fucking fault. Sorry/Not Sorry you could easily not post propaganda and not get called out. FWIW you did admit to Lyrtch that you're a pussy and because you have abhorrent beliefs you don't like post them, then maybe you should pump the breaks on your bullshit "freedom" propaganda to while you're at it. In your own words "Stay on topic".

    If you want people to take you seriously and not attack you try not being a piece of shit with awful beliefs for once in your life
     
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    Considering how blue Orlando is I completely disagree. I think the state is fucked for a long time because of the panhandle, rural areas and Miami.
     
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  32. CF3234

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    post the propaganda I'm pushing ITT. Just go find it and quote it.
     
  33. beerleagueman

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    Orlando is around 59-60% Blue and Tampa is low 50s I think..with how population is growing it takes away some power from Miami margins
     
  34. CaneKnight

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    Doesn't that depend on who's moving in tho? Seems like right wingers are hell bent on flooding the state with dogshit. I hope I'm wrong but who really knows
     
  35. beerleagueman

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    good point but I think most of the far right seem to be flooding Naples and Ft Myers. St Pete , Tampa, & Orlando all have Dem Mayors
     
  36. CaneKnight

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    FOR NOW......
     
  37. Fran Tarkenton

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    at some point the sheer birth rate and size of voters u18 but about to be 18 versus the profile of those people who are dying off is the biggest arithmetic.

    But Florida does have the angle of replenishing The Villages cretins wave-by-wave. IDK.

    Theres just about to be (or already is in some places like Georgia) a huge wave of young voters across the Sunbelt.
     
  38. Daniel Ocean

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    I am slapped in the face with the complete failure of this system every day. I live in an area where houses cost 2 million. An area that if I didn’t live here for 12 years I couldn’t afford to own let alone rent. Not too long ago I thought I was going to be homeless. I legit worried about that to the point that I almost took my own life. I have an advanced degree and so does my wife. We are a couple you’d assume wouldn’t have worry about that.
     
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  43. CaneKnight

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    Sounds like that execution was a party not a terrorist activity to me
     
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  44. Fran Tarkenton

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    the Baby Boomers will be 79 to 61 years old in 2024

    the end is near

    the only sustenance for Republicans is they have sufficiently poisoned the minds of the WOAT Generation GenX
     
  45. JGator1

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    Feldman deleted the tweet, great stuff from an allegedly Emmy winning Newsmax correspondent. Saw this sentiment at times going to Catholic school in Tampa, god forbid the peasants rise up against my repressive relatives.
     
  46. CaneKnight

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    Too bad they’ve pretty much destroyed the planet, the economy, the infrastructure and our futures.
     
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  47. Fran Tarkenton

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    Yep, and I blame your state and neighbors primarily too.
     
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    As you should, they hold great progressive cities like Orlando hostage
     
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