I'm going to the ruin the show for myself so I can look super smart in front of my wife while watching episode
A guy being able to linger around a police office (multiple times!) and in doing so find out crucial information on the case that he’s directly involved in is pretty meh to me but other than that this season has been great and I can’t wait to see what happens
Not sure what the shit with the book was all about but I think it was mostly just to show how fucked up Hays has become.
Any chance hays was playing up the dementia angle and knew the car was there when he asked West to look ?
I didn’t know what to make of that scene unless it was just showing that 2015 Hays can lose it at any time. At first I thought he picked up the book he was going to see something Hays had written/noted that would imply Roland was involved. I didnt follow the Vanity Fair article really well but after the end of this episode I think they have got it nailed as far as what went down when it happened. I think the question of where is Julie and what is she doing in 1990 is still out there. Spoiler theres more to the interviewer than she’s just nailing Hays son imo. With how her line of questioning got aggressive at the end of the scene, I am wondering if she is related at all to the incidents in the earlier two timelines. I don’t think the age would match up but I had a gut reaction that she was Julie Purcell coming back on all this to figure it out and “end the story” from her perspective” but that would be far fetched both from the age angle and from the angle that she’s an established New York TV journalist or whatever as Hays alluded to when he was taking to his son.
Just an amazing ep. Fucked up that the last moments of the dads life will be finding out his daughter was kidnapped on the Hoyt estate. Not sure if Julie is gone at that point or if they move her on after but that kid being interviewed in 1990 said Julie lived in a pink room or castle. Those both match the Hoyt room and compound. Story is coming together I have a few questions left. Is Roland gay? J/k... is he part of the cover up? I think in part Hays has come back to Roland to fully understand where he stood. The scene at the house where Hays goes to to the bathroom and Roland starts researching Hays was interesting. Hays “loses his memory” to avoid a confrontation and then seems to legit loose his mind shortly after leading to a confusing scene. Hays often mentions how they didn’t go far enough in 1980 and a few times in 1990 they but heads on this and also Hays style. We just recently got to see more friction between the two. How much does Tenny know about the cover up? He made some facial reactions when they pressed Hays to wrap up the investigation in 1980. The black man in the book store, is he the gentlemen who rode in that car by the park? He seemed extemely emotional about where the girl was and seeing maybe another person profit off his mistake. Spoiler So Hoyt lost his daughter. Im guessing at some point he chooses to replace her with Julie. Maybe he contacts Lucy and offers her money. So she goes out in the woods with the kids and maybe the half blind man. Things go sideways and her son dies and she decides to lay him to rest like the pictures. Julie is then taken to Hoyt compound. Lucy is paid off but riddled with guilt thinking her daughter and son lived in a home with no laughter but now at least her daughter will have a great life. Eventually the money runs out and she has to be dealt with aka fake OD. Hoyt needs to cover this story up so he has Harris James plant the evidence. It’s what gets him that prime job as head of security. Hoyt also needs someone to push the case closed and so he bribes Kindt to pin the case on the Indian. Kindt thanks to Hoyt progresses to higher polictical power. Julie mentions the fake dad and I believe that’s in reference to Kindt so he’s definitely involved deeply. This basically mirrors the VF article and I believe the nailed the storyline based off the Clinton’s and Tyson food.
Harris gay as hell (commenting on Hayes figure), knows Tom through the conversion therapy stuff. Only reason Tom got into the Hoyt compound.
So people think Hoyt is Julie’s father. If he wanted the daughter did he have to kill the brother and lock her in the basement vault and brainwash her and keep her in a pink room? That just doesn’t add up at all. Obviously the pink room vault exists so there is some connection.
Could be or James may have played a part in that. Guessing that’s why they made reference to both he and the dad being homosexuals in the episode.
I took it as after he came back from taking a piss he was surprised that Roland was there as his dementia had caused him to forget.
Yeah I don’t really buy into the theory that Hays is playing Roland in the present. Dude genuinely seems fucked up.
I think Roland might be gay and he and Hays have a falling out when it comes out that Roland was fucking Tom.
I was thinking this too. Roland seems to really go out of his way to make sure Tom is taken care of and I can't quite understand why.... that being said, if there was something going on between those two, the scene in '90 where Roland visits Tom at his home and they have coffee seems out of place.
Yea Im not totally sure or anything but it would explain why Hays owes him an apology and it would explain why Roland ended up alone.
Spoiler No idea why he killed the brother. I have to assume it was some kind of accident, or perhaps they simply did not want a boy and considered him a loose end that needed to be silenced. Maybe the girl was OK with going, but the boy refused to go with the Hoyts, or he was "trying to protect his sister" and they took care of him? I think they had to brainwash the girl. She was going to have to interact with people in public at some point, and when she did they couldn't risk a little blonde girl blurting out that she had been taken from her parents when there is a high profile murder/kidnapping case in the area that everyone knows about. They had to make her think that they were really her parents and that nothing out of the ordinary had happened. That is why I think they had to brainwash, to cover their tracks basically. And to not have the little girl freak out that she was away from her brother and parents.
Also, Hays has some sweet blazers It'd be hot as shit walking around in one of those 24/7/365 in Arkansas tho
Wasn't Hayes having a refresh of memory episode in that moment as if he didn't realize why they were together and that he was seeing Roland for the first time? That's how it looked to me.