Trumpocalypse: No hanky/lanky

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  1. $P1

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    So teachers should make more money than they currently do, we're in agreement.
     
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  2. bro

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    just a thought, I bet most candidates who run for office on a platform of 15/hr, also run on a platform of paying teachers more money.

    SHOCKING!!!
     
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  3. Redav

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    Seeing the republican come out of a few posters
     
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  4. Truman

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    Ok, it's still prevalent. People are selfish for the most part. Unfortunately
     
  5. bro

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    been apparent from illini for a while. some horrible takes
     
  6. Tug

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    Lol how is this your argument?

    Pay the teachers more
     
  7. Illinihockey

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    Here's the thing, Illinois is fucking broke.
     
  8. bro

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    quite the gotcha moment
     
  9. bro

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    riveting
     
  10. Illinihockey

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    Where's the cash going to come from? Our pension system is already fucked, we have a back log of unpaid bills of over a billion dollars. The pay everyone more platform sounds great to me too.
     
  11. AptosDuck

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    Sounds like Illinois needs to start printing money
     
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  12. Lyrtch

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    We'll say it causes growth then no one will care
     
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  13. Illinihockey

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    Everyone that is right of Bernie is a Republican, got it.
     
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  14. Fran Tarkenton

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    take photos of the caravan


    we live in the cradle of conservative talk radio, so we are more exposed to those voices than elsewhere. Where Hannity got his start, Boortz, Hermain Cain, and now Erick Erickson basically runs wsb radio.
     
  15. Illinihockey

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    We are about to legalize gambling and weed so thats a plus.
     
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  16. poor paul

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    not everyone right of Bernie is a Republican.

    but everyone who opposes raising the minimum wage is a corporatist or corporatist adjacent.
     
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  17. Truman

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    To clarify somethings for myself -

    - Absolutely in favor of min wage going up
    - Comparing min wages to salaried workers like teachers and gov prosecutors doesnt make sense
    - I was just pointing out how I can see the POV of why some people who work low wage jobs that wont get a raise, feel resentment about the min wage going up and not enthusiastically support it. Not that it makes them justified in that opinion.

    TIA.
     
  18. bertwing

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    When Obama did that executive order to increase the minimum salary to salaried employees to 48k or whatever it was, a bunch of our entry level managers that were making 35k got huge raises.

    The people a step above them that were making right around that 50k mark (or anyone in the steps above them) did not get raises, so it created a lot of issues that only a small number of people got huge raises.
     
  19. Sub-Zero

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    ....ummm....yes. The way to bridge income inequality is actually to pay everyone more. That's kinda the point.

    Min. wage needs to be livable. Yes.
    Teachers need to be paid more. Yes.
    Entry-level college grads should be paid more to be livable even with student loans (another issue). Yes.
    Other non-college grads should probably be paid more too!
    And so on and so on.

    Now understanding there's not an easy solution to that doesn't mean it isn't a serious problem that needs solving including legislative measures.
     
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  20. Doc Louis

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    Or had very shortsighted economics classes.. "let the free market decide" doesn't quite hold water when there's an imbalance of power
     
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  21. $P1

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    "If it's too hard, we shouldn't do it," is Republican cover for not wanting to help people.
     
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  22. VaxRule

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    The people that work minimum wage jobs are the people that would work for even less if that was what companies could get away with offering. They are the most exploitable workers out there and therefore those in the most need of protection from such exploitation.
     
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  23. poor paul

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    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the corporations who don't want to pay people more shouldn't also be paying zero in taxes due to loopholes in tax policy. Seems like a good place to start.
     
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  24. Sub-Zero

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    That is quickly followed up with telling people how good they have it because they have a job at all.
     
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  25. Illinihockey

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    Ok but here's the problem, unless we cap what corporations or business owners can make, or legislate a portion of revenue must be paid out to salaries sort of like pro sports CBA's, those costs will just be passed on and everything will become more expensive. I agree its a serious problem and there isn't an easy solution. It seems people seem to think raising the minimum wage is an easy solution.
     
  26. Tug

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    And “if you don’t like your job get another one”
     
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  27. bertwing

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  28. Tug

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    You aren’t going to see an argument against stronger unionization of labor here
     
  29. AHebrewToo

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    I do not understand why teachers don't strike more.

    As more and more families have to rely on two incomes, there is no alternative to public education childcare.

    If kids were home because there was no school, at least one parent would not be working. Employers across the country would quickly figure out how to meet teacher salary demands.
     
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  30. Illinihockey

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    Honestly? Because they need the money. You saw what happened with federal workers. Most people, myself included, can't miss more than 1 paycheck.
     
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  31. Josey Wales

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    Jussie is a POS, and stil somehow less of a POS than our POTUS.
     
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  32. Bruce Wayne

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    This is going to dominate the news cycle today when it should be about that domestic terrorist
     
  33. HoosDaMan

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    Historians are going to think we started putting LSD in the water after Obama.
     
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  34. bro

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    Either way, it will pass and the POTUS making a big deal of it won’t really matter when Mueller bombs start dropping. We all know he is a POS. This isn’t breaking news anymore
     
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  35. bro

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    Hopefully they find this thread in the ashes of society/internet
     
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  36. DuckKin

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    Lying sack of shit actor insults lying sack of shit actor
     
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  37. lastsonofkrypton

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    ?
     
  38. Crepeswithasmile

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    It's hot tub guy, but i feel like I'd be doing this thread a disservice if I didn't post the story about John Bolton mustache rides

     
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  39. Doc Louis

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    They don't know how to, particularly states without teacher unions. They may have unions for retirement plans, but not active labor unions.
     
  40. prerecordedlive

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    Looks like I created some Republican voters by inciting that debate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Most of us seem to be on the same page in that:
    - people below the poverty line working full-time jobs should have a livable wage or else we’re making their lives more difficult for no reason other than to exploit people
    - teachers need to be paid more in every state and it’s criminal that we don’t appropriate the money in our budgets for public education
    - yes, if you were above that salary cap and everyone beneath you got huge raises comparatively, you probably deserved your own raise but you can also choose to see it as others being more fairly compensated; also, the alternative was to roll employees to hourly and make them eligible for paid OT and that is, in fact, what my company elected to do
     
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  41. Truman

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    Dan Carlin and Danielle Bolelli had a really good crossover podcast on the shift of political climate since WW2. (Pssst its to the right)

    Give it a listen . Hardcore History Addendum (Carlin) or History on Fire (Bolelli)
     
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  42. bro

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    figured we'd let 30 years of unconstitutional action go by before we step in
     
  43. portlandspartan

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    You are very naive.
     
  44. Truman

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  45. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    The more people push back against raising the marginal tax rates on the wealthy, especially when the argument is that it would just drive businesses away/prevent them from being created, the more I'm just becoming a full blown Marxist.
     
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  46. ~ taylor ~

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    The main message of American conservatism is: blame the people below you, not the people above you, because you're better than those below you and less than the people above you and that's the way it should be.
     
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  47. dome foam

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    god fucking damnit.