Trumpocalypse: No hanky/lanky

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  1. VaxRule

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    Pew and Gallup have it at about 60/40 in favor of universal healthcare in polls released this year.
     
  2. Mister Me Too

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    So back to the unsustainable insurance market that existed before the ACA. Freedom of choice to get fucked and likely end up in bankruptcy court because your insurance doesn't cover shit, that's the system you're waxing poetically about?
     
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  3. Name P. Redacted

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    LOL. It's low cost compared to ER services but it ain't a $15 trip to the doctor.

    Anyways, you're just taking an obtuse shit in this thread so not worth engaging.
     
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  4. Nantucket

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    A larger proportion wanting ACA or single payer only makes my proposal even more viable. The more people that choose the "sick" pool, the lower the costs for those with expensive medical needs.
     
  5. Drew Swinney Esq

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    Yeah but if someone gets a major disease they pay more until they can't afford it and then they go to the high needs companies then they're no longer my problem. I'm healthy and I don't need to go to the doctor. You're out of my pool for making me pay more with your doctor visits.
     
  6. VaxRule

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    In your scenario, self selection is going to lead to the sickest people being in the government group while the healthiest folks aren't. That limits the effectiveness of the government group.
     
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  7. Fran Tarkenton

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    do you have a citation? anything that says 50%? you said its 50/50 and have yet to provide anything to substantiate that.
     
  8. Mister Me Too

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    It may not be $15 but it's definitely less than buying an iPhone.
     
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  10. Nantucket

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    I'm sure you have better data than I do. Seriously. What's the proportion? Again, the larger the number that want universal healthcare, the more viable my idea becomes.
     
  11. VaxRule

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    I don't want to fund wars in the Middle East. Why doesn't the government have a government based national defense system that wages wars while allowing people that don't want to contribute to that opt into private security firms if they want?

    Freedom of choice.
     
  12. Nantucket

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    Who said anything about a government group?
     
  13. Merica

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    Half the country is a bunch of paste eating morons who thought it was a good idea to elect Donald trump as president.

    I guarantee 95% of those people would love socialized medicine if they actually saw it in practice.

    The other 5% wouldnt like it because they might not be able to buy a second yacht this year.
     
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  14. Nantucket

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    Strawman.
     
  15. VaxRule

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    Nah. National problems require national solutions.
     
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  16. Mister Me Too

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    Isn't that the foundation of libertarianism?
     
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  17. Nantucket

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    Sounds like you need some health education. That's where I think the government and the insurance companies could share a common goal.
     
  18. Nantucket

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    Fuck if I know
     
  19. Aaron Hernandez

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    Tweets like this kind of hurts this dudes credibility.
     
  20. Nantucket

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    [Some undefined proportion of the country] do not consider healthcare to be a national problem. Let individuals decide what is important, and let them act accordingly.
     
  21. Drew Swinney Esq

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    Telling me what I should know seems like an intrusion of my personal freedoms.
     
  22. Name P. Redacted

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    If we're talking hypotheticals, why are we ignoring the idea of killing all the boomers?
     
  23. Nantucket

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  24. Fran Tarkenton

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    I don't care about "your" idea that isn't yours. It seems like you're describing the parameters of the British marketplace. Universal Healthcare + Supplemental Private.

    I care that you throw out fake stats and made up #s to prove a wrong point. ACA approval is likely between 55-to-60% at the moment (it will collapse once the GOP intentionally orchestrates the ACA's failure). Somewhere between 20-to-25% want repeal of the ACA. Nothing in the polling suggests its split evenly at 50%, which is why I knew what you posted was wrong.

    Saying 50/50 only served your purposes of making it a "both sides equal" argument, when the GOPers wanting the days of the old system are a minority view.
     
  25. VaxRule

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    [Some undefined proportion of the country] do not consider Afghanistan to be a national problem. Let individuals decide what is important, and let them act accordingly.
     
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  26. Merica

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    Huh? The whole country knows health care is a problem. They might disagree on the solution but they certainly understand it's a national problem.
     
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  27. Nantucket

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    Before ACA, was there an insurance company structured the way that I proposed? I honestly don't know
     
  28. Mister Me Too

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    Your proposal would lead one to believe that you worship at the Ayn Rand alter.
     
  29. Lyrtch

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    I don't think I should pay for police because I can take care of myself. Let me be free.

    I don't have kids why am I paying for schools.

    REEEEEE
     
  30. Name P. Redacted

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    Nantucket is a dumbshit why are we trying
     
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  31. Nantucket

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    Poorly worded by me then. Yes, it's a national problem. The country is divided on whether the solution is a national responsibility or not.
     
  32. Mister Me Too

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    Pretty much, freedom of choice means freedom to go without insurance or freedom to go with an insurance that covers nothing.
     
  33. Nantucket

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    Fran...

    65% going to the universal pool
    35% going to the "healthy" pool

    Even better than 50/50
     
  34. Nantucket

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    No, was there a company whose business was modeled around providing the most affordable healthcare possible to those with extensive needs? One that disproportionately charged healthy individuals in order to defray medical costs for others?
     
  35. VaxRule

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    Only 5% of the public thinks the government should have no role in healthcare.
     
  36. Merica

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    Due to an irresponsible message from the Republican Party that everyone should just take care of themselves at all times as if we aren't all in this together.

    Obamacare was a good idea from their own think tank that basically allowed the government to act as an insurer. If you don't want socialized medicine, that's the solution.

    Now they don't know what the fuck to do politically. I don't expect the American public to understand this problem, but it's the republicans responsibility to embrace the policy they developed then decried for 8 years.
     
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  37. VaxRule

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    You are describing every health insurance plan ever.
     
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  38. Nantucket

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    Why not have both options in the marketplace and let the American people decide on an individual basis?
     
  39. Mister Me Too

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    No, but there was a system that allowed insurance companies to decide what they would cover and what they would not cover. Your entire premise of customized healthcare is just reverting back to the the pre-ACA policies that governed insurances.
     
  40. VaxRule

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    So keep Obamacare and add a public option?
     
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  41. Nantucket

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    No I am not. There would be a clear differential in the 2 plans I am proposing.
     
  42. Mister Me Too

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    :notobamanotbad:
     
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  43. Drew Swinney Esq

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    If everyone would take some personal responsibility and pay for your routine visits out of pocket like I suggested then you wouldn't be passing along those costs to those of us that are healthy and keep ourselves in shape without needing to see the doctor all the time. I'm not using those services so I should have the freedom to not pay for it.
     
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  44. VaxRule

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    Insurance companies defray the costs of coverage for their sick patients by charging healthy people that don't use the system
     
  45. Nantucket

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    Getting warmer there, yes
     
  46. Nantucket

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    I know that. One company would be much more expensive for healthy people.
     
  47. DollarBillHokie

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    There is zero logical reason for someone healthy to join your insurance plan, so give it up. The purpose of insurance as a healthy person is to have it when I need it. Your program literally stacks all the risk into one plan, which increases the risk that I will not have health insurance when I go to the doctor because the company went bankrupt.

    For the same price as your health insurance plan, I can get health insurance at a normal place and donate the extra money to a sick person.

    People don't make huge financial sacrifices without meaningful reward unless they have to which is why basic healthcare inherently has to be run by the government.
     
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  48. VaxRule

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    Congratulations! You're a Democrat
     
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  49. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    Because again, we're all in this together. The entire concept is based on people who make a lot of money helping make sure that people with no money can have health care in a nonemergency situation.

    Right now they still have health care, but it's in an emergency situation which costs a fuckload more. Your insurance is paying for that shit whether you want it to or not because the hospitals pass on that cost through increasing the prices to insured customers.
     
  50. GoodForAnother

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    This will continue to grow as more dumbs and olds die