Trumpocalypse: No hanky/lanky

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  1. NilesIrish

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    A) Trump is either senile, or a god damn moron.

    B) John Oliver had a good piece on Ivanka and the Kush last night. Delves into the art of the subtle lie.
     
  2. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    im sick of mainstream lies.

    I only get my news direct from the FSB.
     
  3. Bruce Wayne

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    Why can't he be both
     
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  4. shaolin5

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    He totally, TOTALLY is both
     
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  5. NilesIrish

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    Solid point
     
  6. Bruce Wayne

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    He has a good point IMO

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  7. Beeds07

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    Time to go get my 5 or 6 houses.
     
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  8. sflnole

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    It's not about not offending bigots; it's about your economic message never reaching the voters because you're constantly reacting to every right wing bigot in the country. Independent voters, who don't know shit about the issues as it is, start to feel like your party's message is "everybody be nice to each other" and that seems out of touch to them.
     
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  9. sflnole

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    Let's game this out. How do you believe China and South Korea will react?
     
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  10. Magneto

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    They'll just love the flood of refugees that need to be de-programmed.
     
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  11. Where Eagles Dare

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    Drain the swamp

    Hillary is wall Street
     
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  12. Bruce Wayne

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    I'm pretty sure it will play out exactly like the first war did.
     
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  13. Where Eagles Dare

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    You can balance both.

    If you don't stand up and confront bigots head on, they just continue to rise. You can't fight for equal rights and then be like "Sorry minorities and gays, y'all just deal with it right now. I promise we support you and denounce the hate crimes against you in private, but we gotta focus on other things"

    That just makes you look like you're only supporting a group and then ready to ditch as soon as they aren't advantageous to you politically
     
  14. afb

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  15. Mister Me Too

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    Can you name one issue that applies?
     
  16. Buff_Ruffnek

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    That's the klinker, perhaps cooler heads win the day.

    If not....Checkmate
     
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  17. sflnole

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    I'm not saying Democrats need to ditch these issues. They can still legislate in a way that helps minority groups, just lay off of racing to a mic to display your outrage at every bigoted act ever committed for a while.
     
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  18. sflnole

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    Yesterday's polling showed more people believe Dems are out of touch with their issues than Reps.
     
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  19. afb

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    IMO that's a very convoluted poll question
     
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  20. shawnoc

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    Even Fillon is endorsing Macron and urging all of his voters to shift away from Le Pen.
     
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  21. Mister Me Too

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    Poor wording on my part, let me rephrase my question. Can you name a particular issue that Dems voiced outrage about that they should have dropped? Personally ignoring racist/racism does not it go away and all it does is disenfranchise those minorities that are the target of said racism.
     
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  22. LuPoor

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    I think it would behoove them to take the response to that question very seriously, rather than try to explain it away as being convoluted or misleading.
     
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  23. Damion

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    OH YOU MEAN THE SAME POLLS THAT HAD HILLARY WINNING
     
  24. Redav

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  25. Where Eagles Dare

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    You're telling them to be quiet and not confront bigots and racists.

    That's stupid and a good way to lose support.
     
  26. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    I guarantee you this dumbass thinks he can just slap a giant construction project out on private lands now that he's president. I can't imagine the person who has to explain to him why he can't do that.
     
  27. Mister Me Too

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    Is there anyway that this "wall" will cost less than $20B even without having to purchase the land?
     
  28. LuPoor

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    Crack team working on tax reform
     
  29. timo

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    Did anyone actually try to read through that AP interview? The entire transcript?

    :gross:
     
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  30. MORBO!

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    I don't think that's what people have said. It's still an issue, and if it comes up, then you address it 100% the way it needs to be. However, the primary message needs to be economic.
     
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  31. OZ

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    Our president really believes that Franz Ferdinand was only just a band.
     
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  32. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    :laugh: Hell no. I mean, if you want to build the wall, sell how much American materials will be necessary to construct it. That's the one good thing about a giant public works project.

    I mean, I'd much rather it go towards something worth a shit like infrastructure, but we live in a dumb fucking world.
     
  33. Merica

    Merica Devine pls stop pointing out my demise. :(
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    I wish the Democratic party would learn this. It's not like minorities are just going to up and deflect to the party that openly shuns them because the party that embraces them isn't talking about it quite as much.

    And focusing on economic issues is the number one way to actually approach the systemic sexism and racism in our country. Just reaching out to people and hoping they will be more inclusive doesn't put food in their bellies. It doesn't help them raise their children while working 2 underpaid jobs.
     
  34. OopsPowSurprise

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    What poll question was that
     
  35. Anison

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    In fact, the border wall and that quote by Peter King are a prime example of picking where you fight on the social justice battlefield. The right *wants* the conversation about the wall to be about racism - that's a loser for the left and it allows politicians on the right to avoid justifying the fundamental flaws of it (private lands, rio grande, actual percentage of illegal immigration that occurs at land border crossings, drug tunnels, "Mexico is gonna pay for it", and so on).

    Is the wall supported by racists and symbolic of an anti-immigrant and anti-Mexican ideology? Absolutely!
    But that's not the right place to fight it. Fight it on the simple facts of how colossally stupid it is.
     
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  36. Mister Me Too

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    The problem is that these issues are often time interwoven into economic issues as well. Take the following issues the wall and Jeff Sessions' war on drugs. Both those issues will have negative impact both economically and socially the problem for the Dems is that they don't have their own propaganda network like the GOP that spins the economic impact towards a positive despite evidence to the contrary.
     
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  37. chuckmasterflex

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  38. Merica

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    Which is exactly why you paint it as a negative towards poor people instead of a negative towards minorities. Poor people get fucked by the system, not just minorities. It's not that the rich white kid who got pulled over with an ounce of weed gets better treatment purely because of his skin. He gets better treatment because he can afford the best lawyers, he shows up to court in a really nice suit so he looks like "just a good kid who's gone awry," his lawyer can get his probation suspended so he doesn't fall into that trap, etc.

    A poor white kid gets a court appointed lawyer who has barely read the case before going to trial, he shows up in maybe a shitty ill fitting suit if he could afford the bail (otherwise he's in an orange jumpsuit), and if he doesn't get put in jail he's in the drug court system which is ridiculously unforgiving.

    All of that shit matters, and it affects minorities more than white people mainly because we had a 300 year head start. On top of white people having a more prominent role in the court system.

    I'm not trying to say that race isn't a factor in the court system because it totally is, but race is divisive and it plays into the hands of conservatives when they are soliciting poor white people's votes. Poor white people who are 100% voting against their interests because at this point they associate the word democrat with poor black people and rich white city people.
     
  39. prerecordedlive

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    Dems just need to take a hardline approach on something. I can see how it looks like they're cowering as the Rs stand firm (or appear to stand firm) on their agendas.

    Time to start doubling down like they do. Is the wall stupid because it's racist? Go hard on that. Is it stupid because it's not economically feasible? Then take a fucking stand. But pick one.
     
  40. Anison

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    To be fair, they appear ready to shutdown the government over it. That's taking a stand (if it happens).
     
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  41. bertwing

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  42. prerecordedlive

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    That falls on the Rs. This is unfounded if it happens with one party in control of everything.

    I hope the government does have a shutdown but it sounds unlikely.
     
  43. lazy bum

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    (cuts funding to NASA)
     
  44. LuPoor

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    I'm gonna botch the wording, but it was basically "Is _____ out of touch with the American people" and the Democratic party got a higher % yes than the GOP.
     
  45. OopsPowSurprise

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    They have taken a stand

    Problem is there's so many problems that it leads to a saturation
     
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  46. prerecordedlive

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    I'm torn. Would he have saved Matt Damon from Mars? Trump does really like the idea of getting alien life away from the whites.
     
  47. OopsPowSurprise

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    Haha well I guess it means "American people" like white folks
     
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  48. Where Eagles Dare

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    I wanted to punch Rience Priebus in his face watching him on MTP this weekend when he tried to blame Dems for all the vacancies. Tried to blame some bullshit background checks and it taking time to approve nominees.

    Chuck called his bullshit and Rience just huffed and puffed like a bitch.

    We've had a SOS named since December and approved for 2 months. There is zero reason as to why he doesn't have his staff lined up yet. Same goes for the others.
     
  49. Where Eagles Dare

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    He's literally saying stop addressing it.
     
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