Trumpocalypse: That Saul she wrote

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  1. Schadenfred

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    Per NYT via the USDA, soft drinks account for the no. 1 purchase item (at 5% of all SNAP expenditures), while the broader category of sweetened beverages accounts for 10%.

    Sure, we can quibble about the placement of sodas among SNAP purchases. Perhaps very recently it dropped below the top spot. I don't know. However, knowing how fat all Americans are, especially toward the lower end of the social strata, there should be no doubt that too much SNAP money is being spent on the ubiquitous soda pop. This should not be permissible. Obesity rates are an epidemic. And obesity rates increase first in the poorest states.

    Why whatever privatized, socialized, hybrid, (insert alternative here) health care plan we Americans choose doesn't actually matter:

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  2. Bruce Wayne

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    The only other thing that would surprise me less to find out about Pence would be to find out he's gay

     
  3. prerecordedlive

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    God damn, Florida. We’ve got some real chubberoos.
     
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  4. DelapThrows

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    :cerealkiller:
     
  5. Name P. Redacted

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    Let the EBT/SNAP people buy some fucking Coke. I don't know why people want to constantly punish those living in austere conditions. There needs to be a nationwide sugar tax either way.
     
  6. DelapThrows

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    Yeah, the Federal Gov't telling people on the micro-level what food they can buy is totally the definition of small government and freedom.
     
  7. Dairy Queen

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    I don’t see how it’s punishing anyone to not let them use snap to buy coke
     
  8. Mister Me Too

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    Sugary drinks will always be available to purchase via EBT/SNAP, former NYS governor Patterson tried to do exactly what you’re saying and he was killed for it by both parties and encouraged to not run for re-election by his own party. There’s no politician that can win a fight against Coke, PepsiCo, Wal-Mart and many other companies with big pockets that manufacture, distribute or sell sugary drinks and salty snacks.
     
  9. Schadenfred

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    Not as many as Clanga Clanga, Roll Tide, and Woo Pig Sooie... at least per capita.
     
  10. AjaxAsian

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    She not sign a nondisclosure?

    Someone get ana navarro to yell at TED zodiac killer CRUZ! How much people hate him. Even repubs and Texans
     
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  11. Schadenfred

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    Because obesity and diabetes are at Threat Level Midnight. And because...

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  12. Arkadin

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    Id much rather allocate that monry to non food essentials
     
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  13. john fairfax

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    We often complain about food deserts for people living in low income areas.

    Shipping them healthy items would actually solve that problem.
     
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  15. citrodong

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    What the fuck is omarosa doing lol
     
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  16. Merica

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    Jesus christ that leaves so much room for cronyism. I can see giant corporate lobbyists lining up already to get their products in that box.

    Say what you will about the SNAP program, but a ton of that money goes back to small local businesses.
     
  17. dome foam

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    good lord

    yes let people buy coke, which has negative nutritional value, with their public funded food stamps. let’s also make it more expensive for the people who actually pay for coke with a sugar tax.

    great logic.
     
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  18. Schadenfred

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    I don't disagree that it's largely a political no-go. It's too bad. This country is literally going to eats it way to death. The obesity rates are staggering.
     
  19. LetItSoak

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    Should they be able to buy alcohol? Cigarettes? I think people agree there should be restrictions, it's just a matter of where to draw the line. My sister was a dietitian for WIC in Florida and saw obese children almost every day. Allowing parents to use SNAP to give 5 year olds Mountain Dew seems like a bad idea.
     
  20. john fairfax

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    Fortunately we will reach a point where we fund a support animal for these obese children to make them feel better about being fat.
     
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  21. citrodong

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    What a time to be alive that I'm back watching fucking Omarosa 15 years later.

    Try to imagine someone telling you 3 years ago that you'd be watching Omarosa on reality TV talking to Ross the intern and Mark McGrath about inside policy info from her job under President Trump. Russia got us so fucking good.
     
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  22. Schadenfred

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    Great in theory. Guaranteed to be a fubar in practice. The plan would be contracted out to a megacorp that would cut on quality to maximize profits.
     
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  23. john fairfax

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    Love me some republican logic. “If it’s not perfect we can’t try it.” Very similar to their arguments against universal healthcare.
     
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  24. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Sweetened beverages are a top purchase of people not on SNAP too. Heaven forbid these poors start thinking they are actually adults and real people. Let’s continue to humiliate them and treat them as much like children as possible.
     
  25. DelapThrows

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    They already said it won't be fresh items.

    This isn't about getting them healthier food, it's about limiting options and imposing control.
     
  26. LetItSoak

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    Should cigarettes be included?
     
  27. Dairy Queen

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    :facepalm: no one is stopping them from buying coke with their own money
     
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    I would always take minutes of any meeting I ran, and record them then email everything to myself when I was in charge of that stuff. makes it so much easier. And some of this shit was "classified"(not legally, just internally). It's the only way to do it imo.
     
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  29. john fairfax

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    That’s an unfair question. Your going to make AlternativeFactsRule talk out of both sides of his mouth.
     
  30. Schadenfred

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    Not sure if the "republican logic" comment was directed toward me, but it's not about the risk of imperfection that I don't like. It's the certainty of privatized health cutting costs to maximize profit to the detriment of the customer.

    By the by, I'm an independent who writes in for the American Solidarity Party unless I find a worthy progressive candidate. I don't believe in voting for the lesser of two evils.
     
  31. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Cigarettes aren’t food
     
  32. triceratops

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    The food box idea is one of the few ideas the admin has proposed that is at least worth discussing.

    Logistically, I am not sure it could work, but if you could provide say $150 of quality food for equivalent of $100 then that would be a good deal for both the people on SNAP by giving them more quality food for the same amount of money and the government doesn't pay any more while hopefully reducing health expenses for people not eating junk. It seems it would work better with commodity essential non-food products.

    I would imagine poor people waste a lot of money buying toilet paper from gas stations in small packs and it costs 5x the amount of buying in bulk as Costco. It also will not spoil.
     
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  33. LetItSoak

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    Alcohol then? Both have calories and are bad for you
     
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  34. Schadenfred

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    If you're humiliated by going through the check-out line without Mountain Dew, Ho Hos, Ding Dongs, and Monster drinks, then it's a "you" problem... not a taxpayer problem.
     
  35. triceratops

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    Team limit SNAP to actual nutritious food items (or at least a high percentage) sort of like WIC.
     
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  36. citrodong

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    All Americans should get access to free basic healthy food. A bag full of Bread, cheese, veggies, lean meat, fruit, vitamins.
     
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  37. PeterGriffin

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  38. john fairfax

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    Well said.

    It really isn’t a terrible idea like his normal ideas.
     
  39. Merica

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    I just don't understand the point of this thing. If you're a conservative, the one argument you can make for SNAP is that it benefits local small businesses. And you want to do away with that one benefit?

    The only possible argument one could make for this is that you can provide more nutritional meals, but the problem is that you actually have to have the time to cook those meals. A lot of SNAP beneficiaries are working all the time. So many Blue Aprons go to waste because people thought they'd be able to cook but couldn't find the time before the meals rotted.
     
  40. triceratops

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    Plus it is more humiliating to drive around the grocery store with a cart filled with that crap anyway.

    Way more humiliating than paying for a cart of fresh vegetables with SNAP.
     
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  41. DelapThrows

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    I get that it's worth discussing... but we all know (as stated by someone earlier in the thread)... that it would just lead to the LCD and the foodstuffs arriving would be of the lowest quality possible for the price. It won't include fresh fruits, vegetables, or meats.
     
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  42. AlternativeFactsRule

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  43. john fairfax

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    Well you can’t buy premade food on SNAP anyway. So this is a fallacious argument.

    You’re going to have to cook at some level on your snap benefits. Unless you’re just making chips, soda, cookies etc.
     
  44. Gaknight

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    Did you expect anything else from her?

    LMAO if they didn't get her to sign a non disclosure.
     
  45. AlternativeFactsRule

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    Would you wait two weeks to do it though?
     
  46. Schadenfred

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    I don't disagree. If only regulatory capture and crony capitalism didn't infest policy...
     
  47. john fairfax

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    But the proposal isn’t to take away the full snap benefit. They would still have a leftover amount to buy the fresh meats, fruits and vegetables.
     
  48. triceratops

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    It already infests SNAP which is why you can buy junk food with it.

    There is no logical argument for allowing people to buy soda except for the sugar and food lobby.
     
    #120748 triceratops, Feb 13, 2018
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  49. Dairy Queen

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  50. Hoss Bonaventure

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    The government needs to stay out healthcare, but having it regulate food is ok.