Trumpocalypse: Very legal and very cool

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  1. wes tegg

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    It is, but it's still responsible for a quarter of the world's energy.
     
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  2. The Banks

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    All things considered it's still a tiny dying industry that has held way more attention/lobbying than it should be relative to other industries.
     
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  3. The Banks

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    How much are we exporting these days?
     
  4. chuckmasterflex

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  5. Jax Teller

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    What's the general TMB left feeling about 41?
     
  6. wes tegg

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    The "dying" part of it is really just relative to its former level of control. You're still talking about ~$50 billion a year in sales of U.S. coal.
     
  7. ALE☭COCK

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    Dying was the most morally defensible act of his public life :twocents:
     
  8. Can I Spliff it

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  9. wes tegg

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    Exports have gone down because China's production has gone up (and Europe's demand has gone down), but it's still a substantial amount. And, to coal producers, of which there are relatively few, it's a big deal to preserve their market -- i.e., increasing domestic use. It's kind of an existential issue for them at this point.
     
  10. Hoss Bonaventure

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    He was a good soldier but a shit politician.
     
  11. Popovio

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    I didn't like him at all, but he was certainly a better man than Trump.
     
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  12. Fidelio

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    lived forever
     
  13. Hoss Bonaventure

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    He was 1000 times the man Trump is. Trump has zero admiral qualities other than being a bigot that bigot’s like. That’s it. Trump is nothing more than that and never will be
     
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    Gosh trump didnt know something?
     
  15. AptosDuck

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    Some Big Shit happened internationally on his watch - Velvet revolutions, German reunification, CFE and START, and then the Soviet collapse - that he and his people managed pretty well. I'd say his ForPol record is much stronger than his domestic policy record.
     
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  16. bro

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    subsidies are a huge issue when you look at how much fossil fuels receive
    https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment
     
  17. JeremyLambsFace

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    They aren’t gonna survive without being propped up, it’s the best use of their money
     
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  18. Gaknight

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    Don’t feel sorry for that idiot
     
  19. Joe_Pesci

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    Unless you live in, say, Nicaragua
     
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  20. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Even still he is 1000 times the man Trump could ever hope to be. Trump is by far the worst president we have ever seen but as far as his personal attributes Bush is by far ahead of him.
     
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  21. wes tegg

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  22. The Banks

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    With one coal power plant opening up since 2015 (right here in Fairbanks, Alaska) and none planned or in construction, how much longer does the US coal industry have? These plants last what, 25-30 years typically? We currently export about 1/15 of our production so some of that can still be exported to Europe and Asia. But what's the 50 year forecast for it?

    Just looked it up and looks like employment is down to 50K now.
     
  23. wes tegg

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    Where did you find that number? And employment in what portion of the industry? I don't think there's any way that's right unless its just employment at coal power plants. I know mining jobs are down, but I remember them being at ~100k in 2012.

    And, FWIW, I'm not in favor of coal or anything. I'm just explaining why it matters.
     
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  24. JGator1

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    I'm most familiar with the Gulf War and think Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was inevitable, short of Kuwait and other countries handing over like $10+ billion to Iraq. Could Bush have done more to deter Iraq? It's possible. We definitely did some fucked up stuff to Iraq during the course of the war but without excusing it that's the nature of modern conflicts.
     
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  25. The Banks

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    US Bureau of Labor and Statistics. As of Oct 2018 looks like it was 53K not seasonally adjusted. Coal mining, not coal power plants. Power plant jobs isn't the real issue because most of those employees are easily transitioned to other types of power plants, as has happened a lot in recent years.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/release/tables?rid=50&eid=5645&snid=5613
     
  26. Joe_Pesci

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    That bar is so low. It's like saying someone on tmb is better than farva and intending it as a compliment
     
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  27. CaneKnight

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    Good, fuck that dumb piece of shit. That’s heartwarming not heartbreaking
     
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  28. wes tegg

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    Interesting. I had no idea it had dropped that significantly that quickly.
     
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  29. HoosDaMan

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    How much did it cost the taxpayers to bury Bush? They've finally arrived at College Station. They took a train. They just had 12 or 16 jets fly over. This thing is rivaling Aretha Franklin and James Brown's funeral in total time.
     
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  30. The Banks

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    It's a state funeral. We've had 32 in the history of our country and only 5 this century, I don't think the tax payers mind too much for these things.
     
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  31. HoosDaMan

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    Yeah, I was hoping for an actual number. Was curious. I don't remember Reagan's being this long or grand.
     
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  32. HoosDaMan

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    I mean, the funeral lasted nearly as long as his presidency.
     
  33. ALE☭COCK

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    Just dump that rotting fuck in the ground and move on already
     
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  34. bro

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    seek help bud
     
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  35. Joe_Pesci

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    Uhh
     
  36. bro

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    go on?

    Thinking the death of a President is getting too much attention days after his death is lame. sorry
     
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  37. bro

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    “I’m sure they are going to kill me,” Santos Chirino told a U.S. judge, but he was sent home — where he was murdered. Now his words haunt his children at their own asylum hearing.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ported-ms-13-honduras/?utm_term=.96d9a4e89fad

    Nearly a year after he was deported, his 18-year-old daughter and 19-year-old son arrived in the Arlington immigration court for their own asylum hearing. They were accompanied by their father’s lawyer, Benjamin Osorio.

    “Your honor, this is a difficult case,” Osorio told Judge John Bryant, asking to speed the process. “I represented their father, Santos Chirino Cruz. . . . I lost the case in this courtroom . . . . He was murdered in April.”

    When Osorio paused, the judge blanched and stammered.

    “You said their father’s case — did I understand I heard [it]?” Bryant asked, eyes wide.

    “No,” Osorio said. “In this court. Not before your honor.”

    “Well good, because — all right, my blood pressure can go down now,” Bryant said. “Yeah. I mean. Okay.”

    The immigration courts declined a request for comment from Snow. But in an essay published in USA Today — after Chirino was deported but before he was killed — the judge said deportation cases could be heartbreaking.

    “Sometimes, there is not much to go on other than the person’s own testimony,” he wrote. “Yet this is not a decision we want to get wrong. I’ve probably been fooled and granted asylum to some who didn’t deserve it. I hope and pray I have not denied asylum to some who did.”


    spoiler: you have
     
  38. ALE☭COCK

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    I don't think its getting too much attention, I just think he was a garbage person, and we should be glad he's dead hth
     
  39. OZ

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    And, at the same time, you get many dipshits from the right (including those that come in here) that can’t get behind funding research on ways to help the planet because it ‘cost too much money’ at this time.

    Here is an idea, let’s get rid of the stupid shit we are funding and focus on industries that can help the planet and create a boatload of jobs in industries we will need moving forward.
     
  40. PeterGriffin

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    I'm not gonna stop partying for like three weeks once Trump dies. And yes, those are rookie numbers, I've gotta pump those numbers up, I know.
     
  41. OZ

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    wes tegg as far as those with pensions and those that do the hard labor, redirect that money to help these people first. I don’t give a shit, I want the planet to not be shit, and I don’t want to fuck with people’s livelihoods. Many of these sectors and industries could be set up giving people a chance to acclimate into a new industry.

    Is it hard? Absolutely, is it something our country continues to not touch because of backwoods thinking, even more so.

    Just like that damn healthcare that was so terrible. It’s helping those that were against it the most.
     
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  42. afb

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  43. steamengine

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    If anyone is looking to do something nice for the holiday instead of getting your uncle new headphones. Or in addition to....

     
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  44. VoodooChild5

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    Wife probably divorced him because she realized he was a moron.
     
  45. The Banks

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    Not gonna be good for that ol Chinese trade war when everyone is buying all their fireworks
     
  46. joey jo-jo jr shabadoo

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    lupica got bars
     
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