UK Politics: Brexit, Tories, Labour, Scotties, IRA, etc.

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  1. Mister Me Too

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  2. DetectivePopcorn

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    “I’ve been called a cunt in the park by teenagers”

    Yeah not sure that has anything to do with you being a Tory, bud.
     
  3. zeberdee

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  6. Z

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    Vote is on Saturday. Going to be really close.
     
  7. Lyrtch

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    i haven't read about this deal, how is it different from the last one in ways that might peel off more votes
     
  8. Z

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    Most things are similar to May's deal. Key differences that I've seen are: (1) The close economic relationship is no longer in the withdrawal agreement, but in the Political declaration which isn't binding. Basic idea is UK will have more freedom to diverge economically; (2) Northern Ireland - pretty complicated, but it's almost like a NI only backstop, which of course is what the EU originally wanted, but EU made a pretty big concession, and there is now a unilateral exit mechanism that can be theoretically exercised by the Stormont Assembly in Belfast every 4 years.

    Getting some votes from Conservative holdouts due to (1) primarily, and so far a few Labour switchers in leave areas that just want to get it over with.
     
  9. Lyrtch

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    seems like this is where it's heading

     
  10. zeberdee

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    I'm not sure who is more of a mess right now, us or them. either way it's mission accomplished for Putin.
     
  11. Z

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    Yeah, it’s hard to know what the numbers are exactly. Letwin says he supports the deal and just wants to ensure they don’t crash out without a deal if they can’t get the withdrawal agreement passed in time, but Labour is seeing it as an opportunity to potentially delay decision. Odd.
     
  12. southlick

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    This Live Brexit vote on CNN is amazing
     
  13. Z

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    Based on that vote, looks like Johnson will have votes to pass his deal.
     
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  14. Z

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    Withdrawal agreement bill published. First vote tomorrow. They’re trying to ram it through by Thursday.

    I’ve been pretty critical of some of the opposition tactics trying to disrupt Brexit completely.

    Now you’ve got government trying to ram through a huge constitutional change and greatly limiting time for committee stage, review, etc.

    Cramming it all in so short to meet some artificial deadline of October 31st is stupid.
     
  15. Lyrtch

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    you a leaver bruh
     
  16. Z

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    Would be probably due to the democratic issue. Wouldn’t support this though. Norway option was only one that made any sense. Trying to undo 50 years of integration in one swoop is/was absurd.
     
  17. Prospector

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    @Z does NI want out and do they have a say?
     
  18. Z

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    England and Wales voted to leave. Northern Ireland (56-44) and Scotland (60-40) voted to stay.
     
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  19. Daniel Ocean

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    it’s going to be so stupid to have Ireland in the North out.
     
  20. Prospector

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    Sssssooooooo how does THAT work?
     
  21. JGator1

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    So are we bringing back The Troubles?
     
  22. Z

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    In theory, either remain as 1 country or leave as 1 country. In practice, it means Northern Ireland will have a lot closer relationship to EU than rest of UK.
     
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  23. BWC

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    When does foreign influence become so strong that it's no longer democratic? Or does it not matter if the will of the people is manipulated nefariously?
     
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  24. Z

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    ?

    You’re not suggesting the Russians rigged that referendum are you?
     
  25. BWC

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    I'm asking where the line is. It's not like it's purely hypothetical, but it is a very difficult question to answer in practice.
     
  26. Z

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    Well considering there’s no evidence of it, seems like it is purely hypothetical and irrelevant.
     
  27. BWC

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    I mean, the U.S. has literally done it for decades in South and Central America + the Middle East. You seem to hold democracy as the ultimate arbiter, but that's a fantasy world you're living in. The only question is, is there a line or not at which democracy is either no longer defined as democracy or ceases to be your ultimate arbiter?
     
  28. Lyrtch

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  29. Z

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    i now see why I was confused. When I said I would support leave due to democratic issue, I wasn’t talking about the referendum result, but the political structures of the EU.
     
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  30. Toast

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    Looks like we got a snap general election for December 12th.


    Taffy no hung parliament this time please.

     
  31. Taffy

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    At this moment in time, I am pool side in Tenerife so I couldn't give 2 fucks about Brexit, at least for the next 5 days.
     
  32. Z

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    Election today. Exit poll expected in about 2 hours.
     
  33. JonathanCoachman

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    Can’t wait to find out if the Russians interfered because if they did, we’re definitely fucked.
     
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  34. Lyrtch

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  35. JonathanCoachman

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    I’ve always wanted to see what would happen if the leader of whichever party has a majority doesn’t win their local constituency.
     
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  36. The Banks

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    What are we voting on today?
     
  37. zeberdee

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    I've been seeing a bunch of shit this week about anti-antisemitism in the labour party. is that a real problem or a fabrication by the right wing over there?
     
  38. Truman

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    a new government
     
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  39. AIOLICOCK

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    If you publicly criticize israel ever western liberal chuds will call you anti-semitic. Literally Bernie got called anti-semitic yesterday.
     
  40. JGator1

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    Take a wild guess.....
     
  41. Redav

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    You should really already know the answer to this
     
  42. Illinihockey

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    Corbyn doesn't support Israel doing whatever the fuck it wants so he's antisemetic
     
  43. Truman

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  44. brolift

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    Everyone else that has comment is correct.

    It’s a Tory and a Lib-Dem thing.
    Both parties of capital are trying to throw whatever mud they can to stop the absolute boy from winning but it’s not working.

    The FT is currently warning currency traders not to take the exit polls seriously while betting markets have been flat all week w/ Boris in the lead.

    I’m guessing it’s bad news if the FT is telling you the exit polls could be wrong if their interest is a stable pound. I don’t know, just a hypothesis.

    It’s up in the air but turnout is v high which never bodes well for incumbents.

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  45. JonathanCoachman

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    It’s like people on the right don’t view Palestinians as human beings. Jews should know how traumatic it is to be kicked out of thier homes because of ethnicity and religious beliefs.
     
  46. AIOLICOCK

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    I'm pretty sure I'd cum to death if this ever happened at the DNC

     
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  47. brolift

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    Exit poll in

    Conservatives: 368
    Labour: 191
    SNP: 55
    Lib Dems: 13
     
  48. Lyrtch

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    yeeeesh

    goodbye UK
     
  49. AIOLICOCK

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    Just goes to show liberals will choose fascism over socialism every time.
     
  50. TrustyPatches

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    How does this happen?