st8dukegrad87 Bench Warmer 2144 posts this site Re: Breaking News: UNC receives Notice of Allegations 2:06 PM FredGUnn wrote: seniorwolf60 wrote: If it were not for the Wainstein report and the subsequent media discussion, the NCAA would not being reviewing anything.In fact, look at what UNC's recent PR efforts have been aimed at: discrediting Wainstein and saying it was just his "opinion." UNC has known what would be in the NOA for some time now. The NCAA and UNC have been working together and sharing information, so of course they knew what was going to be in it. There's really no other way. The NCAA doesn't have the resources to play some sort of gotcha game. With the knowledge that they knew what was going to be in the NOA, why have they spent PR dollars trying to say it was just opinion? Look at Bubba's statement last month: “It’s some opinion, some fact, and it was used to try to understand what happened. It’s not a legal document. It’s not a document that will be the answer guide to SACS, the NCAA or anything else. It’s just one piece of evidence in a large body of information.” They are actively running away from the Wainstein report right now. Trying to discredit Wainstein is a pretty dangerous game because I'm sure he has enough ammo to completely destroy them if they attack his credibility, so they are framing it as opinion. We'll find out soon enough, but if the NCAA was leaning toward accepting the Wainstein findings as fact, then any athlete enrolled in an "irregular" course could be considered ineligible from that moment on. Maybe framing Wainstein as opinion is more of a strategy for deflecting SACS penalties, but it does raise the question as to why they are taking a different strategy now than they were last November. As Manalishi stated last summer that UNC-CH PTB made a huge error in trying to control the "exotic animal". The Wainstein Report did not necessarily destroy UNC-CH, the email release is where the damage was done. The emails were not his opinion, but direct evidence of massive academic fraud with the goal of athletic eligibility involving MBB, WBB, baseball, football and Womens Soccer. All the NCAA needed to investigate was done for them. All they had to do was read the emails from Wainstein and read Cheated and follow the footnotes to the direct evidence. Last edited 05/22/2015 2:10 PMby st8dukegrad87 nctalkinghead Dook Fan 197 posts this site Re: Breaking News: UNC receives Notice of Allegations 2:17 PM BlackRazor wrote: packskins wrote: This should be good. Greg Barnes up next on Adam and Joe. GB said UNC will decide which they agree with & which they don't. I'm betting on the big over for most they don't. Maybe UNC can reject it back to the NCAA for punctuation or spelling errors.UNC-Cheats has asked PP to run the NOA through plagiarism software and will then send it to the Honor Court for action. PrimalScream 32 MONTHS Premium Member Waterboy 1493 posts this site Re: Breaking News: UNC receives Notice of Allegations 2:22 PM they did the same thing last time when the NOA was issued. Cited inside sources saying no probation, no post season bans, no scholarships lost, and then when the COI met they received all of that. No one knows anything, they can do say whatever they want but when the NOA is made public their will be a lot of national clamor to punish UNC severely, and Syracuse and USC will be leading the charge. "I love the smell of napalm in the morning". apackfan69 Bench Warmer 1659 posts this site Re: Breaking News: UNC receives Notice of Allegations 2:27 PM The Ingram to Duke decision tells a lot here. I can see Williams telling his current team that even if they get hammered they will draw it out so that next years team will be able to compete for a natty. I am also sure they gave those players whatever they wanted(money, cars, girls and other benefits) to stay and try to get a banner to replace the ones they may come down. Ingram, not really knowing if he will be a one and done player, decided not to go there because he knew after next year everybody with any talent would be leaving UNC, and he wanted to make sure he was playing for a team with a chance to play for a natty. Remember he said if not for the scandal he would have signed with the cheaters. Just my take on it. nathanA wrote: How many BB players declare for draft if this was done a month ago?
IBBaller Noob 32 posts this site Re: Breaking News: UNC receives Notice of Allegations 2:27 PM I will be so pissed off if this is the case: http://chapelboro.com/news/unc/chansky-unc-happy-with-notice-of-allegations/ PrimalScream 32 MONTHS Premium Member Waterboy 1494 posts this site Re: Breaking News: UNC receives Notice of Allegations 2:28 PM This should get interesting. Homer-ism at its finest "I love the smell of napalm in the morning". ----------------------------------------------------------- ....and it begins to dawn.....
Bryan Ives@awaytoworthy UNC is undefeated in sports since receiving the NOA. #FactsOnly Women's lacrosse beat Duke 16-7 to advance to the NCAA championship. And baseball won like, their first game all year. Things are clearly trending up.
My professor arranged for a small Filipino boy to write all of my papers analyzing popular quotes from long-running network cartoons, so I am not familiar with the show to which you reference.
Martin has been pushing like hell for Woods to commit before the NOA was released. Will be interesting to watch that unfold now.
safety Greg Ross commits in what will be the first recruiting domino to fall now that the NOA has guaranteed us national championships across all sports for the next two years.
other programs need to take notes get a noa and you go undefeated in all sports and all the commits fun times all around
Could they be waiting for a big sports/news day and hope the information doesn't get as widely reported?
slow day but saw this: @dandakich: UNC Case..media and hoops folks that will want blood, major hit will be very disappointed @dandakich: Hearing Roy Williams very convincing talking to NCAA about no knowledge of phony classes...before u kill me understand I'm always right
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"UNC has to give Williams his walking papers. Williams, who likes to flippantly refer to the scandal as all that “junk going on,” is a big part of the problem. Despite his status as the state’s highest-paid employee, Williams did not do his job. At best, he is an incompetent administrator who failed to maintain control over the handful of athletes he was supposed to monitor. At worst, he knew all about the cheating and took a see-no-evil-Joe-Paterno approach, hoping his immorality would go undiscovered. UNC should also take down Williams’ now-tainted 2005 and 2009 NCAA Championship banners from the Smith Center rafters. These titles were won by cheating, plain and simple. Carolina must own up to its ill-gotten titles and voluntarily disown them. Additionally, all UNC victories for any years in which ineligible players were used should be vacated. Williams – and UNC basketball – should have those wins wiped from records." Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article22823382.html#storylink=cpy joe pa comparison really elevated it seriously may be the hottest #hottake of all time
This dude was on Raleigh radio trying to defend that piece and he sounded like an absolute idiot. Gold and Ovies were kind of shocked how little substance he had for the article. I'm not sure even NC Stare fans care other than to laugh at the situation.
InsideCarolina @InsideCarolina BREAKING: Notice of Allegations released, #UNC charged with lack of institutional control re: academic depts.
Allegation 1: It is alleged that beginning in the 2002 fall semester and continuing through the 2011 summer semester, the institution provided impermissible benefits to student athletes that were not generally available to the student body. Specifically: a. Athletics academic counselors in the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes (ASPSA) leveraged their relationships with faculty and staff members in the African and Afro-American Studies (AFRI/AFAM) department to obtain and/or provide special arrangements to student athletes that were not generally available to the student body. The special arrangements athletics academic counselors provided to student-athletes constituted impermissible extra benefits and included, but were not limited to, requesting certain course offerings within the AFRI/AFAM department on behalf of student-athletes, contacting individuals within the AFRI/AFAM department to register student-athletes in courses, obtaining assignments for classes taught in the AFRI/AFAM department on behalf of student-athletes, suggesting assignments to the AFRI/AFAM department for student-athletes to complete, turning in papers on behalf of student-athletes and recommending grades. Certain AFRI/AFAM courses were anomalous because they were designated as lecture courses but were taught as independent study courses with little, if any, attendance requirements, minimal to no faculty interaction, lax paper writing standards and artificially high final grades. In some instances, athletics academic counselors within ASPSA made special arrangements and used these courses to help ensure the eligibility of academically at-risk student-athletes. The high level of involvement by athletics academic counselors in the administration of these anomalous AFRI/AFAM courses relieved student-athletes of the academic [NCAA Bylaw 16.11.2.1 (2002-03 through 2010-11)] b. Additionally, from the 2006 fall semester and continuing through the 2011 summer semester, the institution provided impermissible extra benefits similar to those articulated above and allowed 10 student-athletes to exceed the limit of independent study credits countable toward graduation. Under the institution's policy, credit hours for independent study courses did not count toward a degree after a student exhausted the institutional 12-hour limitation. By failing to count the anomalous AFRI/AFAM courses as independent study courses, and including these courses as applicable toward graduation, the institution impermissibly allowed 10 student-athletes to exceed the 12-hour limitation. [NCAA Bylaw 16.11.2.1 (2006-07 through 2010-11)] This serves as part of the basis for the lack of institutional control allegation in Allegation No. 5. Level of Allegation No. 1: The NCAA enforcement staff believes a hearing panel of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions could determine that Allegation No. 1 is a severe breach of conduct (Level I) because the impermissible extra benefits provided over a nine-year timespan seriously undermined or threatened the integrity of the NCAA Collegiate Model, in particular, as articulated in NCAA Constitution 2.5. The provision of impermissible benefits in an academic context undermines the importance of a student-athlete's participation in his or her own education. The conduct also provided, or was intended to provide, a substantial or extensive impermissible benefit. [NCAA Bylaw 19.1.1 (2014-15)] Allegation 2: It is alleged that from April 2007 to July 2010, Jan Boxill (Boxill), then philosophy instructor, director of the Parr Center for Ethics, women's basketball athletic academic counselor in the Academic Support Program for StudentAthletes (ASPSA) and chair of the faculty, knowingly provided extra benefits in the form of impermissible academic assistance and special arrangements to women's basketball student-athletes. Specifically: a. On April 16, 2007, after reviewing a student-athlete's incomplete paper for the course AFAM 280, Boxill added content to the student-athlete's introduction and conclusion. [NCAA Bylaws 10.1, 10.1-(c), 16.11.2.1 (2006-07)] b. On , after reviewing a student-athlete's incomplete paper for the course AFAM Boxill added content to the paper in the form of a conclusion. [NCAA Bylaws 10.1, 10.1-(c), 16.11.2.1 (2006-07)] c. On , after reviewing a student-athlete's incomplete paper for the course AFAM , Boxill added content to the paper in the form of a conclusion. [NCAA Bylaws 10.1, 10.1-(c), 16.11.2.1 (2006-07)] d. On , after reviewing a student-athlete's incomplete paper for course AFAM , Boxill added content to the paper in the form of a conclusion. [NCAA Bylaws 10.1, 10.1-(c), 16.11.2.1 (2008-09)] e. On after reviewing a student-athlete's incomplete paper, Boxill added content to the paper by providing additional quotations. [NCAA Bylaws 10.1, 10.1-(c), 16.11.2.1 (2008-09)] f. On July 22, 2010, Boxill turned in a women's basketball student-athlete's paper to the African and Afro-American Studies (AFRI/AFAM) department and, in the same email containing the paper, recommended a grade to the department for the submitted work. [NCAA Bylaws 10.1, 10.1-(c), 16.11.2.1 (2010-11)] Level of Allegation No. 2: The NCAA enforcement staff believes a hearing panel of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions could determine that Allegation No. 2 is a severe breach of conduct (Level I) because the violations involve unethical conduct and, thus, seriously undermine or threaten the integrity of the NCAA Collegiate Model. The impermissible academic assistance along with the academic arrangements also provided or were intended to provide extensive or substantial impermissible benefits. [NCAA Constitution 2.2 and Bylaws 19.1.1 and 19.1.1- (d) (2014-15)] Allegation 3: It is alleged that in 2014 and 2015, Deborah Crowder (Crowder), former student services manager in the African and Afro-American Studies department, violated the NCAA principles of ethical conduct when she failed to furnish information relevant to an investigation of possible violations of NCAA legislation when requested to do so by the NCAA enforcement staff and the institution. Specifically, Crowder refused to participate in an interview with both the institution and the enforcement staff despite at least three requests for her participation. Level of Allegation No. 3: The NCAA enforcement staff believes a hearing panel of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions could determine that Allegation No. 3 is a severe breach of conduct (Level I) because the violation involves individual unethical conduct and a failure to cooperate in an NCAA enforcement investigation. Participation in an NCAA enforcement investigation is critical to the common interests of the NCAA's membership. [NCAA Bylaws 19.1.1 and 19.1.1-(c) (2014-15)] Allegation 4: It is alleged that in 2014 and 2015, Dr. Julius Nyang'oro (Nyang'oro), former professor and chair of the African and Afro-American Studies department, violated the NCAA principles of ethical conduct when he failed to furnish information relevant to an investigation of possible violations of NCAA legislation when requested to do so by the enforcement staff and the institution. Specifically, Nyang'oro refused to participate in an interview with both the institution and the enforcement staff despite at least five requests for his participation. Level of Allegation No. 4: The NCAA enforcement staff believes a hearing panel of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions could determine that Allegation No. 4 is a severe breach of conduct (Level I) because the violation involves individual unethical conduct and a failure to cooperate in an NCAA enforcement investigation. Participation in an NCAA enforcement investigation is critical to the common interests of the NCAA's membership. [NCAA Bylaws 19.1.1 and 19.1.1-(c) (2014-15)] Allegation 5: It is alleged that the scope and nature of the violations set forth in Allegation Nos. 1 and 2 demonstrate that the institution violated the NCAA principles of institutional control and rules compliance when it failed to monitor the activities of Jan Boxill (Boxill), then philosophy instructor, director of the Parr Center for Ethics, women's basketball athletics academic counselor in the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes (ASPSA) and chair of the faculty. Further, the institution exhibited a lack of institutional control in regard to the special arrangements constituting impermissible benefits athletics academic counselors and staff within African and Afro-American Studies (AFRI/AFAM) department provided to student-athletes. Specifically, individuals in the academic administration on campus, particularly in the college of arts and sciences, did not sufficiently monitor the AFRI/AFAM and ASPSA departments or provide appropriate supervision for these academic units and their staffs. The AFRI/AFAM department created anomalous courses that went unchecked for 18 years. This allowed individuals within ASPSA to use these courses through special arrangements to maintain the eligibility of academically at-risk student-athletes, particularly in the sports of football, men's basketball and women's basketball. Although the general student body also had access to the anomalous AFRI/AFAM courses, student-athletes received preferential access to these anomalous courses, enrolled in these anomalous courses at a disproportionate rate to that of the general student body and received other impermissible benefits not available to the general student body in connection with these courses. Additionally, the institution did not monitor Boxill's activities. Although employed by ASPSA, Boxill conducted her athletics academic advising activities largely within the philosophy department. Despite concerns by some at the institution that Boxill's relationship with the women's basketball student-athletes may have been too close, the institution did not monitor Boxill or determine whether her conduct violated institutional rules or NCAA bylaws. Level of Allegation No. 5: The NCAA enforcement staff believes a hearing panel of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions could determine that Allegation No. 5 is a severe breach of conduct (Level I) because the violations seriously undermine or threaten the integrity of the NCAA Collegiate Model and the presumption of lack of institutional control violations as Level I. [NCAA Bylaws 19.9.1 and 19.1.1-(a) (2014-15)]
not singling you out - but TMB's literacy ability for a group of (mostly) college-educated males is startling low
I think your "that ship has left the harbor" post got lost in TMB death. Knott also jumped on me iirc.
marquise just retweeted andrew carter: @andrewcarter UNC men's basketball, football personnel are not listed in any of the five allegations. As expected, NOA comes down hard on Boxill
Failure to cooperate, lack of institutional control, impermissible benefits - "attempting to undermine the NCAA student athlete model". NCAA wants blood. All 5 of the allegations were deemed Level 1 violations. Luckily for UNC Football, Women's Basketball is the program who is being looked at the hardest.
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Riveting... Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 24m24 minutes ago UNC’s Bubba Cunningham: “Some allegations we’’ll probably agree with & some we will not"
my guess is that women's basketball is going to get destroyed and take most of the heat for this. maybe some sanctions on football but they are not going to let men's basketball get railroaded also bubba confirmed that we will be tried under the old ncaa penalty structure and not the new one. old one is known to be much more lenient
yea the entire cheating system was designed to help women's basketball succeed i pity the stupidity of the committee if they believe that