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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Merica, Jul 15, 2015.
Basically every chud GOP militia's wet dream
Whatever must happen ultimately should happen immediately.
You're so misinformed on this topic. The last time they tried that, it made things worse.
There isn't really a military solution imo. There will be replacements for every person killed. The solution is to give the citizens better financial options than the cartel offers.
100 percent this
Eh, I’m not so sure. The cartels have funds and access to weaponry comparable to the Mexican govt, and it’s not like the military can run air raids on them without slaughtering civilians. The only way to beat them at this point would be special forces and I don’t think Mexico is adequately prepared in that area
The problem wasn’t the reaction, it was the fact they announced his capture before they could get him out of the area. They are talking about how monumentally stupid it was the way the officers handled this attempted capture.
it’s crazy and would be interesting to see how some of the US Army Delta Forces could handle this situation. Especially if the Mexican army would allow us to use air assets to support them. It’s basically the mission they train for now and they would decimate these forces.
Sounds like a cool idea for a movie
Mexico has never tried full scale war against the cartels and it's absurd to suggest otherwise. There's a variety of reasons why they won't, mostly related to a shitload of innocent people dying because they'd have to basically clear door-to-door but individual cartels are not more powerful than the Mexican military and that's been proven over and over anytime the military actually decides to throw down.
It was a great idea for a book when Clancy wrote it about Columbia in “Clear and Present Danger”
Also I wanted to clarify when I said air assets, I meant drones and reconnaissance aircraft, not CAS aircraft. It would be more using Blackhawks for transport and GlobalHawks and Predators for intelligence and force direction.
Its basically what they are doing in the Middle East today. The problem is Mexico will never allow it. At least not publicly. There is a chance we could do some work off the record if they get desperate enough.
No. Just no.
God damn being told by Congressman you’re misinformed on a topic is a kill shot
I'm honestly not trying to be snarky here or anything, I'm only wanting to understand what you're saying. As I read it, you're suggestion is that there is no solving this problem/issue unless the Mexican government was to offer more monetary payouts to Mexican citizens than the cartels?
It's cool. I'm saying that the last time a military solution was implemented, things got worse. Way, way worse. The US ould have to ecome heavily involved imo for that approach to be even marginally successful. But, as we've seen, killing terrorists breeds more terrorists. They are replaced by the children that said their family/friends killed. Ongoing cycle.
Simply put, a stronger economy would give the kids prone to joining a cartel and continuing the cycle an avenue that would give them purpose, hope, and financial seecurity. They'd have something meaningful to live for.
Mexican citizens benefit a great deal from the cartels. Cartels provide for their community in the way of jobs (drug, weapons, and human trafficking jobs, sure, but well-paying jobs), safety, and support. It's the cartels that ensure that roads are good and that kids in the neighborhoods are safe. And if you don't work for a cartel, you almost assuredly know people that do.
There's also essentially no distinction between cartel violence and police violence and military violence to the average Mexican. Politicians and the police are all corrupt so why would the cartels be less moral than the government?
From an outsiders perspective, the violence is horrific. But the cartels will remain strong as long as they provide for the average citizen in their communities. And even if you get rid of them - even if there is a push to get rid of the Guzman/Sinaloa cartel - there's still like eight others that still exist plus whatever else would form to take its place.
*most of this was told anecdotally to me from my mexican friends
Appreciate the responses. Understand what was being said now and make sense.
The answers above are all you need in relation to your question. I’d also suggest, from a practical standpoint, the Mexican government could choose to wage a full on war, and they’d be the betting favorite if both sides were willing to go all the way (think tens of thousands of civilian casualties, entire towns decimated, major refugee populations, and a the Mexican economy coming to a screeching halt) but there would be money on the underdog dog to win straight up as well.
This is a very good summation man