usa to host 2016 copa america?

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  1. tne

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  2. Corky Bucek

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    Would be cool but sounds very doubtful.
     
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  4. Andy Reocho

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    didn't read, but would we participate?
     
  5. Sam Elliott

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    I'd love to see a permanent tournament between CONMEBOL and CONCACAF nation teams that would rival the Euro's. Copa America is big and the Gold Cup is okay, but mix them together and you get a serious tournament that everyone would want to be a part of.
     
  6. Sam Elliott

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    If it is a special edition right after a 2015 version I would have to think the US and Mexico would be in.
     
  7. BellottiBold

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    gold cup blows, lets face it. Getting a tournament together that allows the U.S., Mexico, and one or two of the potentially decent minnows to compete with the South Americans should be appealing to all parties... particularly if you kick it off with a soccergasm in the U.S. and get piles of ratings and sponsorships in Canada, US, and Mexico.
     
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  8. El_Pato

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    Yes, the plan is to have the 10 CONMEBOL teams and 6 CONCACAF teams.
     
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    Can still do the Gold Cup as well like the year before Copa America, use that as the CONCACAF championship to qualify for the Confederations Cup and also as a qualifier for the Copa America for the 4 other highest finishing teams outside of U.S. and Mexico.
     
  10. BellottiBold

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    don't think the clubs would be too keen on adding a major tournament to players' schedules like that... though you make an interesting point about the CC. Wonder how they would determine who qualifies for that if two confederations participate in a single tourny.
     
  11. El_Pato

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    The clubs have no say in this.
     
  12. BellottiBold

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    how do you figure?
     
  13. El_Pato

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    It's an international competition sanctioned by the football associations. They wouldn't give a shit what the clubs say, because they're gonna be raking in cash.
     
  14. BellottiBold

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    It's not like clubs aren't involved in the dialogue, come on. And the players make their money with the clubs.
     
  15. El_Pato

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    Which clubs are they gonna ask? These players play all over the world. You think they're gonna go around and ask every league if it's cool to have another tournament?
     
  16. Principal McVicker

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    I would actually watch that. The Gold Cup does nothing for me.
     
  17. Sam Elliott

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    Gold Cup moves the needle for me, but a North-South America championship would be sick. I just hate waiting 4 years in between tournaments that really matter for the US. Having a intercontinental championship two years before/after the WC that could be paired a month after the Euros makes me :grinch:
     
  18. Andy Reocho

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    I just like the Gold Cup because it's a matchup with Mexico.

    I'm getting tired of them having more fans in American stadiums though
     
  19. prerecordedlive

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    Well if we'd quit scheduling matches in LA/Pasadena... :blowup:
     
  20. snowfx2

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    CONCACAF decides on the sites, that's why the Final will always played in an area with a large Mexican base (LA '11, NY '09, Chicago '07)
     
  21. Andy Reocho

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    I get that side of it, it's just disappointing...
     
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    I'm not a Mexican. So I'm assuming that says:

    "CONFIRMED- Copa America 2016 in United States with 6 burritos of #CONCACAF(#Mexico #USMNT + 4 more) #thatsenoughworkfortoday #letsgobacktodrinkingcervezas"
     
  24. three stacks

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    it will be pretty sweet to see colombia win it in person :smug:
     
  25. El_Pato

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    Hope the final is in Dallas or LA and the US plays in Houston or Phoenix, for group play.
     
  26. Sam Elliott

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  28. El_Pato

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    The other 4 teams will be determined in the Gold Cup. Not sure if its next years or the one in 2015 though
     
  29. Fran Tarkenton

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    In July 2016 CONMEBOL will meet its first century of life, therefore, for the purpose of commemorating it with the pomp that it deserves, the Presidents of associations and members of the Executive Committee decided to compete in an international tournament in the Americas. This competition, which will be called Copa America Centennial, will take place in United States and will bring together 16 teams, ten of South America, 6 Cup, among them Mexico and United States are two fixed participants. The remaining four will come from the ranking of the CONCACAF Gold Cup.

    (I tried translating the press release)
     
  30. Fran Tarkenton

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    CONMEBOL announced plans to hold a special edition of the Copa America tournament in the United States in July 2016 to mark the South American confederation's 100th anniversary. Dubbed the Copa America Centennial, the special tournament will include the U.S. and Mexico as fixed participants along with four other CONCACAF teams, which will be decided through the Gold Cup, and 10 CONMEBOL teams.
    The Copa America Centennial take place between the already scheduled 2015 Copa America in Chile and 2019 tournament in Brazil and will mark the first time the tournament has been held outside of South America. As unique as this event will be, it's far from the first time CONCACAF teams have taken part. Costa Rica (best finish: quarterfinals in 2001 and 2004), Honduras (3rd in 2001), Mexico (2nd in 1993 and 2001) and the U.S. (4th in 1995) have all participated as invited nations in the past (Canada was invited in 2001 but withdrew). Costa Rica and Mexico both played in 2011, but failed to make it out of the group stage.
    It's hard not to see the decision to hold this tournament in the U.S. as CONMEBOL's attempt to cash in (and maybe distract from the expanded 24-team Euro 2016), but it still sounds like a really fun idea. It could also be the first step towards CONMEBOL and CONCACAF joining forces with UEFA to put together a "World Cup II: Don't Tell Sepp" as an even bigger cash grab.
     
  31. snowfx2

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    I guarantee 2019 Copa America in Brazil will be this same 16-team format as 2016. The TV money for CONMEBOL will be enormous from U.S. and Mexico alone, especially if we can send our "A" teams. That or there will be another 16-team Copa America in 2020 back in the U.S. or in Mexico.
     
  32. three stacks

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    do you think USA will send their A team in 2016? i don't want to have to choose sides :ohdear:
     
  33. snowfx2

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    Yeah definitely. The question will be if the South American teams will because of the 2015 Copa America that counts for the Confederations Cup, but my guess this will be all "A" teams.
     
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    This is fantastic news. Looking forward to hear the host sites
     
  36. Cza

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    YES! YYYEEEEESSSSS! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!
     
  37. Fran Tarkenton

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    Think this is a one time tournament, but hopefully it earns us an invite to the Confederations Cup.

    I do think CONMEBOL will ask that all teams supply their best players. The $$$ making potential of this in the US will be insane. All sell-outs, huge media markets, etc.

    It will make FIFA pissed off they chose Qatar.
     
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    pretty awesome, third best tournament in the world
     
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  41. Fran Tarkenton

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    wtf

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    Hearing special 2016 Copa América in USA not a done deal yet. US Soccer putting out a statement later today.
     
  42. Andy Reocho

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    I'm sure beIN will buy the rights
     
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    As an Auburn and Arsenal fan, I always expect the worst.
     
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  44. Fran Tarkenton

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    The fact of the matter is that CONMEBOL jumped the gun on the announcement Wednesday. Discussions have taken place between CONMEBOL, CONCACAF and U.S. Soccer, but while U.S. Soccer is interested in hosting the tournament, there remain some issues that haven't been settled:
    • Will FIFA approve the event, put it on the official global calendar and require that clubs release their players for all the national teams involved? No such public announcements have come from FIFA yet. FIFA has not instituted a club-release requirement for "guest teams" like Mexico, the U.S. and Japan in previous Copa América tournaments, nor has FIFA sanctioned a big senior tournament outside the World Cup/Confederations Cup involving the full participation of more than one confederation before. FIFA has generally frowned upon anything that could be seen as a rival to the World Cup, hence the age limit on the men's Olympic tournament.
    • Will countries send their best squads to a 2016 Copa América? There's little point in staging this tournament if all nations don't bring their top teams. At the very least, FIFA would have to require clubs to release their players for all the national teams involved, but there are other factors, too. The traditional Copa América (involving CONMEBOL, Mexico and Japan) will take place in 2015 in Chile, as will the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup in this region.
    It's possible that one or two countries would thus be involved in June/July tournaments in 2013 (Confederations Cup/Gold Cup), 2014 (World Cup), 2015 (Copa América/Gold Cup), 2016 (special Copa América), 2017 (Confederations Cup/Gold Cup), 2018 (World Cup) and 2019 (Copa América/Gold Cup). That's a lot of tournaments for players who have little time off as it is. CONMEBOL switched from a biennial to a quadrennial Copa América in 2007 because countries like Brazil and Argentina had stopped regularly sending their top teams when the tournament took place every two years.
    • While U.S. Soccer has expressed interest in staging the 2016 tournament, it hasn't signed off on it yet -- a somewhat important fact if you're being publicized as the host. CONMEBOL's announcement on Wednesday was a little like me inviting everyone to a dinner party at my friend's place without the friend being totally on board yet.
    • How will the economic deals work? Nothing has been signed yet between CONMEBOL and CONCACAF on how revenues from the tournament would be split. Also, while TV interest figures to be big, how would it work out? In the U.S., at least, ESPN has already bought the rights for Euro 2016, which would suggest that another company (FOX? NBC? BeIN Sport?) might be expected to step up for a 2016 Copa América.
    All that said, I expect the 2016 Copa América in the U.S. will get done eventually. There's too much upside for soccer in this part of the world for it not to happen.