VT Linebacker arrested and charged with murder

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  1. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    What the hell is gay panic?
     
  2. El Tiburon

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    The prototypical example is watching UGA fans in the 4th quarter of a game that matters.
     
  3. dump

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    when you panic and kill a guy because you find out he is gay

    maybe
     
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    Bizarre.
     
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  7. Chumbolone

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    Irt to “how didn’t he know during/after the first encounter?” - I’m almost certain I saw episodes of Catfish or Dateline where a lesbian catfishes her straight friend she had a crush on, creates a whole kink/fetish ruse where the straight girl is blindfolded waiting for her catfish in a hotel or something and the catfish lesbian proceeds to fuck her with a strap-on… iirc they had a few encounters like this before the girl took off the blindfold and saw it was her gay friend/a woman, not a man.

    So I can conceive a situation, convoluted as it may seem to us, where some dumb horny 18-19yo finds themselves in a weird situation getting a hummer from a dude.

    And if that’s the case/scenario, is it not sexual assault/rape at that point?
     
  8. PAHokie

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    Sure, but you don’t get to murder someone a month later when you find out for sure.
     
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  9. Chumbolone

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    Are you saying that was his purpose for going back, revenge?

    Way I read it sounds like he went back for another hummer a month later, brought his homies bc the John Waters lookalike was all about it, realized it was a dude, in a rage of anger and embarrassment he brained the guy.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I’m okay with sexual predators meeting an untimely end.
     
  10. Chumbolone

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  11. PAHokie

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    What I read today said that previously in court that he was grabbing around trying to figure out if it was a guy or not this second time. So something weird happened and it doesn’t seem to be like he in the moment was surprised. (Which in VA is now not a legal defense)

    Regardless he still shouldn’t have murdered the guy. One punch and run, sure. Bash his head in? Nah.
     
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  12. Daniel Ocean

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    this comes off as extremely homophobic it doesn’t sound like the guy was in danger. It sounds like the guy thought enjoying getting a blowjob from a guy made him gay and reacted to that. It’s bullshit and murder.
     
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  13. Chumbolone

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    I mean idc what it sounds like and I never said he was in danger.

    I am saying the deceased was clearly a sexual predator. I’m saying I’ve seen instances where predators, catfish, are capable of manipulating people (and it seems like a horny teenager would be easiest of all) into doing things that seem convoluted to you and I.

    The guy was notorious for pretending to be someone else to circumvent other people’s will/intentions/preferences/predilections. That’s fucking predatory as shit. That’s akin to roofying someone imo.

    There’s as much evidence to support your narrative/guess as there is mine, although based on PAHokies post it sounds like my hunch was accurate.

    Murder or manslaughter or whatever, no sympathy for a sex predator and let’s not try to lump this in with hate crimes/homophobia. Not wanting to have your dick sucked by a man doesn’t make you a homophobe.
     
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  14. killerwvu

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    Weren't there 2 other people with him too? I think he went back to the guy after the fact and it wasn't in the moment
     
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  15. Chumbolone

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    Saw that too, but there’s some questions as to whether they were arrested or not?

    If not, it kind of blows up the idea they went there with intent to beat the guy up or w/e.

    From the article it says he started groping around and used his cell phone flashlight to get a better look at the person in the darkened apartment.

    Which supports my hunch this guy manipulated scenarios where he could sexually assault people under false pretenses and deny his victims the easiest opportunity to reject him.

    I’m also curious if clear cut cases of murder go to grand juries?
     
  16. Shinzon

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    Depends. Did he or his friends use the dead guy’s debit card after the fact?
     
  17. Daniel Ocean

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    I didn’t make a guess about anything.

    I’m simply going off your post. You said he was “angry and embarrassed”. Going off that then he wasn’t in danger. He was simply ashamed and that isn’t justification for murder.
     
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  18. Chumbolone

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    Is sexual assault/rape justification?
     
  19. Daniel Ocean

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    vigilantism Is never justifiable. Him doing it in the heat of the moment i might understand but that doesn’t seem like what happened here. If it’s simply him being angry and embarrassed than what he did was murder.
     
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  20. Doc Louis

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    But it does make you selfish if you don't reciprocate.
     
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  21. Doc Louis

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    What if he was being threatened and blackmailed with being outed to his teammates and possibly leaking pics/video of the guy performing fellatio?
     
  22. Daniel Ocean

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    I don’t know if you’re being serious. How would that justify murder?
     
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  23. Doc Louis

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    Didn't say that it justified it. Just trying to think of what would cause someone to overreact to that extent.
     
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  24. Daniel Ocean

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    a combination of toxic masculinity, a fragile whole of your masculinity and a fear of being gay.
     
  25. Doc Louis

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    I wouldn't call Virginia tech football toxic masculinity, at least not these days..
     
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  26. DollarBillHokie

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    GRIT!!!!
    (We try to be masculine and fail)
     
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  27. Doc Louis

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    It's ok. Clemson football is unapologetically offensive. It's offensive to watch and Dabo hasn't apologized for it being so shitty yet this year.
     
  28. DeToxRox

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  29. Sir Phobos

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    that's uh, a thing, I guess.
     
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  30. IHHH

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    I don’t like it, seems very fishy.
     
  31. Icculus is a Bammer

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    So is he reinstated?
     
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  32. Sir Phobos

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    I mean, it's a young black man in Southwest Virginia being accused of murder, the prosecution must have been fucking terrible because there's still plenty of people in this area who would have to take off their hood and robes to sit on the jury.

    I'm just dismayed he was found not guilty, not that he somehow "got away with it", it seemed like such a slam dunk.
     
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  33. Sir Phobos

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    Pry wasn't coach when this unfolded so nobody knows and I'm not even sure the kid would want to stay in the area.

    I doubt it happens but who knows. the word about him prior to the incident was he looked very talented and promising, I'm sure he can land somewhere.
     
  34. IHHH

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    Ah ok, i know nothing about the case and the area. But by reading the tweets it made me think of a guy beating another one to death once he saw that the girl was actually a guy and then claiming self defense because a knife was hidden under the bed.

    i am obviously completely off track here.
     
  35. ButchCassidy

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    Didn’t his boys run in after he already beat him? Or am I thinking of another beating?
     
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  37. DollarBillHokie

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    That’s interesting. The initial reports were he thought Smith was a woman and was shocked upon arriving to find out he was a man. It came out in the trial they went there to figure out if he was a man or woman. In my opinion, there’s no defense. You can’t argue the shock filled him with rage and he just went too far. Awful situation. Stunning verdict.
     
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  38. killerwvu

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    I think once he knocked him down that's fine? Not really fine, but not sure how else to explain it. The multiple blows with his fists and at least 2 stomps to the head was way past the point of self defense imo
     
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  39. Gunners

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    Why on earth did I open this thread
     
  40. Trip McNeely

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    That’s not what the defense was. He testified that the catfisher was reaching for something after he smacked his hand away. That was corroborated by one of the other guys and a knife was found under the mattress. All of that coupled with the victim being a sexual predator makes this verdict not terribly shocking.
     
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  41. DollarBillHokie

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    I understand that’s what the defense was. It also wasn’t claimed for several days. The evidence now suggests he went there for a confrontation.
     
  42. Mister Me Too

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    Those people who would have to take off their robes and hoods to serve on a jury are very likely to be huge homophobes on top of being racist. I guess in this situation their homophobia was enough to overcome their racism.
     
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    Yeah this kid isn’t ever playing CFB, even florida urban meyer isn’t taking that chance
     
  44. ARSENAL

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    I don’t think he coaches college football anymore.
     
  45. DuffandMuff

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    Will he have any eligibility remaining when urban inevitably returns to college coaching in two years?
     
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  46. PAHokie

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    The charge being murder and not manslaughter was what helped him. Though the jury could have reduced it to that. Based on the testimony I think there is doubt it was murder. I think manslaughter is more likely what happened.
     
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  48. Detlef Schrempf

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    Article is wild. Story is awful on just about every account.
     
  49. Daniel Ocean

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    Successfully using “gay/trans panic” defense in 2023 seems really fucked up and shouldn’t be allowed.
     
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    People who catfish other people in the year 2023 get what they deserve
     
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