Warshed old man to retire

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  1. letan

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    the gall!
     
  2. Nug

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    we are very special. Thank you.
     
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  3. nexus

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    wait the guy there at the behest of Ted Cruz turns out to be a piece of shit?
     
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  4. electronic

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    Getting out of coaching and IMMEDIATELY going to lobby against the players with Ted Cruz is impressively shitty.
     
  5. Redav

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    I think we still have to wait to see how he really feels.
     
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  6. Bruce Wayne

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    Remember when Saban initially retired to care for a dying Miss Terry then we find out it's really because he can't hack it as a coach in the new NIL environment?
     
  7. Daddy Rabbit

    Daddy Rabbit obviously silly and not productive
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  8. Fuzzy Zoeller

    Fuzzy Zoeller College football > NFL
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    In time, Saban will be remembered like a coach who won all his titles before integration.
     
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  9. Deuce

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    How is he lobbying against the players?
     
  10. The Banks

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    Should players be employees of the university?
     
  11. Deuce

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    If the cost is that schools are forced to cut a lot of Olympic and Women’s sports, then I’m not so sure.
     
  12. Upton^2

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    It’s time to start asking where Miss Terry was on Jan 6
     
  13. electronic

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    Maybe I’m confused. Is he saying that the players should have more power and more money or less of each?
     
  14. Deuce

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    I don’t believe he’s commented on the degree of either of those things, unless I’ve missed something.
     
  15. electronic

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    Was he bringing this up as a disagreement with his wife?

     
  16. SuperCam

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    Their goal is to roll back NIL or get to a point where they can force a fee on the players to do business(as if their identity belongs to the ncaa?) in school and tax a % that will obviously go into their pockets. They want the control back in coaches and politicians hands
     
  17. wes tegg

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    Implying that players “only worrying about how much money they’ll make” is a negative necessarily means that they are making too much money and/or have too much power.
     
  18. Deuce

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    No he was bringing it up to show a shift in the mindset of players. He didn’t continue to say “and I think that number should be zero”
     
  19. The Banks

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    Nuance is tough if you refuse to take your houndstooth blinders off.
     
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  20. LuPoor

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    From reading his quotes, can you infer what he thinks of the shift in the mindset of players
     
  21. Lyrtch

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    Not sure I've seen a more generous read of a statement
     
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  22. Lyrtch

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    These sports never made money and back when football didn't make anything the schools just paid for these things as they were good for the student body

    They can just keep doing that, especially at a school like Alabama
     
  23. Deuce

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    My inference would be he thinks the shift in the mindset of only focusing on short-term money is not good.

    To extrapolate that into players are getting paid too much is disingenuous. He recruited off of Bryce Young getting a million dollar deal with Nissan. He’s said numerous times he wants players to make NIL.

    The term nuance was mentioned above. There’s nuance in saying players deserve to get paid, but we can do it in a sustainable way that doesn’t make college athletics worse.
     
  24. Nostradumass

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    Making Saban the namesake/face of the new College Football EA franchise would now be hilariously ironic.
     
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  25. electronic

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    I would love to hear a suggestion that doesn’t require players to get less money and less power.
     
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  26. Bruce Wayne

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    Apparently Deuce thought he'd be the one to tag in for dbl and be the weird bama fan blindly supporting Saban today
     
  27. electronic

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    I didn’t say zero. I said less.
     
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  28. Redav

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    I think you'd need to prove the current model is making college athletics worse, first.
     
  29. Deuce

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    Alabama can do that because Football and Basketball cover a $40mm hole. That’s not true for 100 other FBS schools and countless FCS and below.

    Your answer then becomes either to cut sports or make college more expensive for the student body. Neither seem like great options.
     
  30. MG2

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    It is my personal, unbiased opinion that 2023 was the greatest college football has ever been.
     
  31. VaxRule

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    When you have to imagine Saban saying things he had every opportunity to say but didn’t, in order to explain away the things he actually did say and the clear implications of saying them, you should probably just stop.
     
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  32. Lyrtch

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    How did schools manage this 50 years ago then

    I've never understood how schools getting buried in money with tv deals made the logistics of doing this impossible when they did it with far less money
     
  33. BudKilmer

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  34. Redav

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    Just from this meeting alone, Saban is going up there with the Bama AD and there are no players going and they're meeting with Ted Cruz and Joe Manchin. You can kind of figure out what the angle is.
     
  35. MG2

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    If D1 athletes are declared as employees, wouldn't that also have to be the case at the D2 and D3 levels?
     
  36. Redav

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    I think what's irritating is he's lying to you the entire way. This is so the rich stay rich.
     
  37. LuPoor

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    If you cut Saban's salary in half you could pay every single player on the team like 5k every month
     
  38. SummerOfGeorge

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    50 years ago an SEC Women's basketball coach who'd never made it out of the first weekend wasn't making $850,000 a year (or the 1970 equivalent). College softball programs didn't have indoor practice facilities. Women's sports in general had the budget of a moderate sized high school athletic department.

    All of that has changed, and for the better for girls and women, but the better cost multipliers more in money on a one time (facilities) and annual basis. The cost per athlete on the women's side has gone up much more in the last 50 years than the men's, which is great. But it also means that departments had "sports" 50 years ago that they invested absolutely nothing in, which is why they managed it so easily.
     
  39. VaxRule

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    I don’t think so. That logic would require not stopping at D2 and D3 and continuing all the way down to high school and youth sports.

    Some of these sports are clear business ventures. D-1 FBS College Football is one of those.
     
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  40. The Banks

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    Worse for whom?
     
  41. Lyrtch

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    Ok then let's just go back to the model where coaches don't make a million dollars for coaching? Seems easy, always absurd for all the top public employees of a state being coaches
     
  42. Deuce

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    They didn’t have as many programs or nor were they as expensive to operate as they are now.
     
  43. MG2

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    Just seems like the kind of thing that would be challenged immediately by someone at those levels. I hope you're right because common sense says what you're saying. But common sense rarely wins out.
     
  44. Deuce

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    Making players employees will be good for some College Football and Men’s basketball programs

    I don’t see a way forward that doesn’t result in a large number of problems being canceled, which in my opinion makes college athletics worse.
     
  45. Lyrtch

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    Why did they get so expensive to operate

    Coaches salaries? Absurd expenditures on facilities? Yeah we can run that back
     
  46. Drown ‘Em

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    Meant to post this in here and not the champs thread.

     
  47. Lyrtch

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    Consider me skeptical that letting players share in revenue is an unsolvable problem when everyone got their golden chariots for decades off the players backs
     
  48. Redav

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    Idk if you think drastic rule changes are necessary wrt NIL I think the onus is on you to prove a problem exists. Saban from what I have seen has never done that.
     
  49. VaxRule

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    I think the important distinction is whether or not the school would stop offering the sport if threatened with an employment requirement for the athletes participating in it. I imagine most lower tier schools would do just that. The B1G and SEC schools aren’t stopping football until it’s outlawed at this point.
     
  50. Lyrtch

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    You could exempt them for that value.

    The gymnastics people do are so fucking stupid. The whole oh no fans aren't going to feel the same if players are making decisions off money vs the school is baby brain