Yea it comes off super whiny. "I'm making $10m a year but they care too much about money!" when we're talking about kids, many of which come from very poor families, is some bullshit. They don't have broke ass kids that they can dangle the NFL carrot in front of now so it makes their job harder and they are whining about it. That's it. That's the entire issue.
It’s like people can’t comprehend others not being huge homers. I’d say there’s a good number of people here who have no problem calling their coach shitty for their opinions.
I think there's a difference between a coach complaining about a player's ability to get paid and a coach complaining about the rules or system in which it is happening.
It's like being surprised that the Duck Dynasty grandpa had some political opinions that didn't play well in 2015.
They aren't complaining about the system though. They are just whining that players care too much about money. They are used to going into a living room and pitching how they'll make the player better and get them ready for the league and now the player is like "Yea that's cool and all but how much are you going to pay me while I'm in school?" and their brains are breaking over it.
Agreed. I’m talking specifically about complaints directed to the system’s allowing players to make decisions based on money. If a coach complained that the current system creates the opportunity for unregulated collectives to offer inducements that they never intend to live up to, I’m listening.
I didn't say they were talking about the system. I responded to a post that seemed to suggest (at least from my reading of it) there is no difference between complaining about players getting paid and complaining about the system under which that is occurring. I happen to disagree with that notion, so I said what I said.
Ok yea I agree. I think the current system is a shitshow and sucks. It needs some kind of structure asap, just not at the expense of the kids getting paid.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but to date I haven’t heard a coach complain about the rules/system that isn’t entirely related to players getting too much compensation. To put it another way, the complaints so far seem to be “this is making my job harder” rather than “this system is exploiting kids.”
The kids need to unionize and just bargain some shit out. Set up multiple year deals that lock them in so the coaches can feel like they can coach them without the kid worrying about his next payday everyday and the kids are getting paid and everyone wins. idk how you handle that 3* that signs for the low and then blows up to be an All-American though. I guess it's kind of like a 5th round pick that's an all-pro in year 3 and way underpaid before they hit FA. Maybe build in a player/team option or some shit based on performance, idk. There has to be a structure that works for both sides.
I’ve yet to hear a strong argument against the current system. Things being harder on coaches isn’t all that compelling.
The problem with the rules/system isn't that they are exploiting kids. The problem is that there essentially are no rules/system because the rules in place are not enforced. I can't speak to every complaint made by every coach. Again, I was responding to a post by someone else and not to the comments made specifically by Saban or Smart.
DeBoer crushes Saban in the well known "Wins/247 Recruiting Pts" metric. Significant upgrade IMHO IYAM.
What they won't admit is they really have no problem paying kids and never have. The problem now is that they have to pay them in a way that gives the players more power because it's actually out in the open. No more under the table hush hush stuff.
the exploitation is developing as the rules against tampering are not enforced and the agents become more involved.
My only problem with the current system is that school should be paying and not collectives. Maybe the same in the end but all these coaches making commercials asking for money, get out of here.
Revenue sharing pool for players + a penalty from that pool for transfers seems like a decent starting point. Eases the burden on fans for NIL collectives and incentivizes guys to stay at their school unless the situation is really bad. Although I’m assuming for the former to happen they would have to be employees of the AD.
They have formalized contracts, which I would also (more so, honestly) be in favor of for players. I understand the frustration from the coaching side of trying to plan roster management and recruiting strategy for the future when you have a very shaky foundation for evaluating what you’ll have even two years down the road from a personnel standpoint.
That is a much better solution than something that restricts player movement/compensation in a way that we don’t for coaches.
Fair and true. There absolutely needs to be equity in whatever framework is established, but I think the important thing (and probably Saban’s main point) was that there needs to be SOME framework better than the nothing that exists now.
Certainly in theory. In practice, I’m guessing that whatever the NCAA/Congress comes up with is going to be way worse.
For the sake of the game, yes, I think it should. We've discussed this before, we can just disagree on it. I'm not a fan of unlimited transfers. Cap it at 1 and then some type of penalty after that. Hell penalize a coach that leaves a job after less than 3 years. I'm cool with that.
The NFL needs to be the model. Salary caps, restrictions on trade, penalties for coaches leaving one job for another, etc. That's what the sport has come to. There's no sense in pretending it's still a came for students. This is the NFL-lite, so it should be regulated as such.
I've still yet to see a reason player movement should be restricted. That's usually the impetus for putting a rule in place
Are there any sports leagues that are successful that allow players to come and go as they want? I think fans knowing players and getting an attachment to more than the team logo is a big part of having a fanbase.
What do you mean for the sake of the game? A coach leaving a program is much more impactful than a player leaving.