2021 NFL Draft Thread

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  1. tylerdolphin

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    We used a first rounder last year on a LT and he looks solid so far before he got hurt. I don't see them going OT again that early. I'd be shocked if the pick isn't a top WR or pass rusher with the Texans pick. I prefer one of the WRs personally but I'm good with a pass rusher too.
     
  2. Gritty Badger

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    RT just as important as LT, if a perennial all-pro is there they’d be crazy to go WR
     
  3. tylerdolphin

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    I won't dispute OT being one of your core positions. It's definitely important. The Dolphins have a severe lack of true deep threats at WR though even if they have a few solid possession guys. I feel good about our rookies on OL so far plus we have FA and 3 other likely top 50 picks to grab another OT.
     
  4. Gunners

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    I wouldn’t take a WR top 10 for a while, just so much talent. Pitts should be considered next to Chase
     
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  5. Bankz

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    I agree with you on Pitts. I want to see if he's announced as a WR or TE when he's selected. His skills are good enough to be a wideout and I think athletically he will test fine. Either way he's probably my #2 skill guy in this draft behind Chase.
     
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  6. Gritty Badger

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    Pitts over Waddle and Smith is verifiably insane
     
  7. Corch

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    Jamarr Chase is the best WR in this class.
     
  8. Shinzon

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    Can’t fault ya for that opinion. Those two are absolute studs. But I’d still be confident to bet that Pitts will be drafted ahead of them. Teams drafting that high likely have young/inexperienced QBs. The value of receiving TEs aka Baby QB’s security blanket has shot up. Pitts is athletic enough to consistently beat LBs and has the size and hands to win contested battles with DBs. Guys have been drafted higher for less logical/value reasons (Baker). But yeah Smith and Waddle deserve to be “lottery” picks.
     
  9. Pelican

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    Sewell will be available and the Bengals will fuck it up. I’ve already prepared myself for it.
     
  10. The Banks

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    How has the value of a security blanket TE shot up compared to the past 5-10 years? I don’t get it, those are always valuable to a young QB.
     
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    If you ain’t drafting top 3 he won’t be available. The best OL prospect since Orlando Pace ain’t dropping.
     
  12. Shinzon

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    You’re right. Was just basing it on the trend of passing attempts going up + rule changes toward an offensive pass happy game = pass catching position value steadily trending upwards. Only one TE made 10 mil/year in 2015. Now five are making over that in 2020. Four of the five with 75+ catches last year. Don’t really feel like looking it up. But guessing that a chart of targets for TEs in general prob looks like the Cliffhanger from Price is Right.
     
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  13. The Banks

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    Would be interesting to see the top 10 TE salary percentage increase over the past 5 years compared to other positions. Raw salary means nothing, it’s needs to be relative to put it in perspective.
     
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  14. Shinzon

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    Wouldn’t make a difference compared to the primo positions. But compared to RB salaries that shows a lot. TEs making more than ever and going up. While Leveon and Zeke will prob be some of the last huge money RB contracts. Not to mention draft position money. Safe bet to say we’ll see more teams choose to take hopeful Kittle, Kelce, Ertz types in the higher money “lottery pick” slots than will take a high grade RB.
     
  15. Pelican

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    Yeah my hope is that we end up in the 3-5 range and all the teams ahead of us need quarterbacks. We're gonna end up getting fucked on the draft order because of the tie against Philly :facepalm:
     
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  16. Gritty Badger

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    Kittle and Kelce are insanely good in the run game as blockers and still have the speed and size to run past LBs and run over DBs. Pitts hasn't come close to showing that potential as a blocker. He's more like Ertz, who isn't a profile that would get picked top 15.

    Kittle and Kelce are unicorns.
     
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  17. Spontaneous Cumbustion

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    Second half of our schedule is pretty easy outside of division games. I'm sure we'll fuck up our draft pick by winning a couple meaningless games late in the year.
     
  18. Vito Corleone

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    All this talk of Waddle vs Chase, but Rondale going to be silly good
     
  19. Gritty Badger

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    Birds finna be 5-10-1 and drafting 20 smh f you NFC East
     
  20. Where Eagles Dare

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    He's just little tho
     
  21. tylerdolphin

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    I'm not saying Pitts/Freiermuth don't have valid reasons to be high picks, but I'd be cautious about my reasoning being immediate help for a young QB. The TE position in general usually doesn't produce much the first year, sometimes two.
     
  22. Jack Parkman

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    I'll gladly take either Waddle or Chase

    That Houston pick is top 5 now but Im sure it'll be closer to around 10 by the end of the season. They still have Jax, Cleveland, Detroit, Indy twice and Cinci which are all winnable games
     
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  23. Vito Corleone

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    Lawrence
    Sewell

    Chase
    Rosseau
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    Parsons

    Waddle
    Basham
    Lance
    Moore

    Imvho. I think you can go any of those top 5. Passing on Sewell though if you have your QB is not wise. Whoever your LT is, won't be better than him.
     
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  24. Jack Parkman

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    IDK what to make of Rousseau. He has the elite measurables, but seeing that he had 7 of his sacks vs FSU(terrible OL) and Pitt makes me wonder if he just beat up on bad competition
     
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  25. Gritty Badger

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    He still had like 9 other sacks but a ton came from stunts and lining up inside on obvious passing downs. He’s still raw and putting more tape up beating tackles on the outside would have helped. This is why I thought he made a mistake sitting out as teams start to get nervous over that as you get closer to the draft and end up getting picked 15 instead of 5
     
  26. Gritty Badger

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    15 overall is still great but there’s a big chunk of money dropping down 10 spots
     
  27. Vito Corleone

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    I agree, he has mainly garbage sacks and a majority come from the interior against college guards, which will typically have terrible pass protection skills. He is more projection than others
     
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  28. Bankz

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    I don't think Pitts will go before Waddle. He should but Waddle has that Bama hype train behind him. Smith I'm not a fan of, he will be one of the first 10 wideouts taken but I don't have him in my top 10. Someone will regret that pick.

    Moore is my baby. Loved this kid from his HS days. He's behind my WR2 behind Chase.

    lol... No. He's built like a tank. His size will be zero issue.

    This is 18 year old true freshman Moore squatting 600lbs


    I'm not sure those two guys are they same level of prospect. I think the upside for Pitts and what NFL teams can do with him outweigh what teams can do with Pat. I think Pitts is a top 20 pick and Pat is probably 30-50 range. I like Jordan out of Miami as well but he's likely the 3rd TE off the board.
     
  29. Jack Parkman

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    Other teams he had sacks against

    1.5 vs Louisiana tech
    2 vs Duke
    1 each vs UVA, VT, UNC, Central mich, and UF
    0 vs FIU, Bethune cookman and Louisville
     
  30. Gritty Badger

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    8.5, not 9, my bad

    Not enough tape for me of him blowing past OTs with speed on the outside for me to want to take him top 5-10
     
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    I don’t doubt though that he’s going to crush the combine which will make his stock go higher
     
  32. Vito Corleone

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    Read on PFF that he generated a stop or pressure on 1 of 6 plays. That's the difference between him and a lot of the other DE athletes that go high and don't pan out. He can generate speed to power and is consistently making an impact. His sacks might come against garbage, but he doesn't just get garbage or coverage sacks. He is in on the play when he can be. I would be shocked if he fell out of the top 10.

    Basham might go top 10. The Big Ten has some freaky athletes learning to play DE as well like Kwity Paye and Jayson Oweh that might push up to the top half of the first round, but idk if they will put up more of a freak show at the combine that Rosseau or have better tape than he had last year.
     
  33. Jack Parkman

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  34. PSU12

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    Oweh will put up really gaudy combine numbers
     
  35. Jake Scott

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    Nope

    Either Sewell or Parsons in Atlanta imo
     
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  36. pianoman

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    Paye likely will have better numbers than Rosseau. There's a reason Feldman had him number one on his 2020 college football freaks list.
     
  37. Jigga

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    Dont want to have to cheer against Pitts like that
     
  38. bertwing

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    Not when you guys go 6-10 and end up with the 14th pick
     
  39. Jake Scott

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    I was going off of where the mock had us picking. I was just living in fantasy land for a second. Geez
     
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  40. Jax Teller

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    I'm not saying Smith will go top 10 but he's gonna go high and be a star as will Waddle.
     
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  41. Jack Parkman

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    I see Bama fans shitting on Moses’ play this year and then I see stuff like this

     
  42. dump

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    Tackles is a misleading stat imo

    sometimes you get tackles when you shouldnt have allowed the catch in the first place or you misread a run
     
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  43. Jax Teller

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    Can't allow broken tackles when you're constantly in the wrong spot.
     
  44. Saul Shabazz

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    tackles is only partially a misleading stat

    I thought is was useless as well, when Hamsah Nasrildeen had 237 tackles last year I was like pfft bitch just jumps on the pile

    But see, now that his leg has died, those 237 tackles are going for tds against us

    So......:hilldawg:
     
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  45. IHHH

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    I still have nightmares about à defense that the leading tackler was a safety. He would get 10 tackles a game, all of them 15 yards downfield.

    kyle McCarthy was his name.
     
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    Please elaborate.
     
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  47. Jax Teller

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    Probably same type of shit that he used to say Jacobs was overrated.
     
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  48. Bankz

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    He only wins on speed. His lack of size (see weight) will hamper him with 50/50 balls and in tough coverage. He's also gonna be a 23 year old rookie.

    Obviously we have some football to play and a possible combine/pro days to adjust but my top 10

    Ja'Marr Chase
    Rondale Moore
    Jaylen Waddle
    Seth Williams
    Rashod Bateman
    Terrance Marshall
    Dyami Brown
    Chris Olave
    Amon-Ra St. Brown
    Tylan Wallace
     
  49. Owsley

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    Speed isn’t even one of his biggest strengths.
     
  50. IHHH

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    Show us the spread sheet