What would you consider to be the most intense battle in history?

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  1. Kirk Fogg

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    That’s what I’m talking about

     
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  3. Kirk Fogg

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    Popovio thanks for starting this thread
     
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  4. yaywaffles

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    cannae?
     
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    2016 world series tbh
     
  6. yaywaffles

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    cannae was the most spectacular, but the romans suffered a slew of lopsided defeats at hannibal's hands. made more remarkable by the fact that hannibal lost like 2/3rds of his force crossing the alps
     
  7. Talking Head

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    Battle of the Somme in that mud seems pretty shitty. I know verdun was probably worse but fuck basically having a war in toxic waste that’s the consistency of oatmeal.
     
  8. Popovio

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    Hannibal sure knew how to win a battle, but he didn't know how to capitalize on it. The real crazy thing about Cannae is that it was a complete and unmitigated disaster, and Rome just shrugged it off and carried on.
     
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    Battle of the Somme, Jul–Nov 1916
    British offensive to break through German lines near the Somme River in northeastern France and relieve pressure on Verdun to the south, it was intended to be “the big push” that would end the war. A week of bombardments sent 1.6 million shells screaming into the German lines, but their damage was insignificant. When British troops attacked on July 1, they suffered the greatest single-day loss in all of Britain’s history: 60,000 casualties, one-third of which were killed. As the offensive dragged on, French troops came to reinforce the British. When the battles ended in mid-November, the Allies had won just five miles (eight km) of ground, but attrition was high among the German defenders, including a large number of junior officers and NCOs, which would affect their army’s effectiveness during the remaining years of the war.
    Allied casualties: 615,000, approximately two-thirds of them British
    German casualties: 650,000
     
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    I wouldn't call it intense so much as absolutely brutal.
     
  11. timo

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    Verdun, the Somme, Kursk.
     
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    That's why they get paid so much $$$
     
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  14. Kirk Fogg

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    There was some story from Kursk of a Russian dude with nothing below his waste firing his pistol at German tanks so he couldn’t be accused of surrendering to the enemy and his family taken to the gulags.
     
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  16. yaywaffles

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    stalingrad was bloodier than all of them

    though at some point this is just splitting hairs. industrialized warfare introduced an unprecedented degree of horror to combat
     
  17. Talking Head

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    Had he invaded the city of Rome right after cannae, I don’t see how Carthage loses that war.

    They didn’t really shrug it off. They just stopped even attempting to face off against Hannibal and picked all other Carthaginian/allied armies apart.
     
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  18. Lawnole23

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    Supposedly Hannibal couldn’t take Rome with his army but Rome couldn’t beat him in open combat so they just played hit and run over the next few years and tried to starve him out.
     
  19. bignate50

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    Drawing a blank on the name of this battle but there was one where a former Roman General joins the Germanic tribes and decimates a couple Roman legions in the Ardennes. Ends up taking one of the legions gold eagles as a spoil of war, the only time that ever happened
     
  20. Popovio

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    Teutoborg Forest I believe.
     
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    Yep that’s it
     
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    The classic double envelopment later perfected at the Battle of Cowpens.
     
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    I haven’t gotten to that one yet but I’ll look for it. Thanks for the heads up.
     
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  28. Kirk Fogg

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    The Punic wars one was amazing. Ghosts of the Ostfront (operation Barbarossa) was my favorite though.
     
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    For the US, I sometimes think its Iwo Jima. Obviously D Day has a great argument. Gettysburg and Antietam were awful.
     
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  30. Fidelio

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    solid Netflix doc on this
     
  31. Popovio

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    I wish there was some movie or show that could really do "The Battle of the Bulge" justice. Band of Brothers did a good job, but it's too narrow of a view.
     
  32. Joe_Pesci

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    My grandpa was in the Battle of Hurtgen Forest. Passchendaele with Tree Bursts is one way it's been described
     
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  33. bwhit21

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    That’s nuts! Just read Anthony Beevor’s Ardennes 1944 and it goes into Hurtgen in some detail. What a crazy battle.
     
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  34. bwhit21

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    Here’s some more Eastern Front reading material:



    German heavy machine gunner that survives the Eastern Front. First deployed to Stalingrad in 1942, barely makes it out of the pocket.

    Also read this one although the author’s account is disputed since he gets some basic details wrong:

     
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  35. bwhit21

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    I think you mean Caucasus, not Balkans, but I’m with you.

    On the Balkans, another mistake was delaying Barbarossa to invade Yugoslavia. Army Group Center probably takes Moscow with 1-2 more months before the rains set in.

    But he was playing soldier on a series of maps so moving massive armies around Europe looks easy, I guess.
     
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    Good thread
     
  37. bwhit21

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    “The conduct of the Russian troops,” General Blumentritt wrote later, “even in this first battle [for Minsk] was in striking contrast to the behavior of the Poles and the Western Allies in defeat. Even when encircled the Russians stood their ground and fought.” And there proved to be more of them, and with better equipment, than Adolf Hitler had dreamed was possible. Fresh Soviet divisions which German intelligence had no inkling of were continually being thrown into battle. “It is becoming ever clearer,” Halder wrote in his diary on August 11, “that we underestimated the strength of the Russian colossus not only in the economic and transportation sphere but above all in the military. At the beginning we reckoned with some 200 enemy divisions and we have already identified 360. When a dozen of them are destroyed the Russians throw in another dozen. On this broad expanse our front is too thin. It has no depth. As a result, the repeated enemy attacks often meet with some success.” Rundstedt put it bluntly to Allied interrogators after the war. “I realized,” he said, “soon after the attack was begun that everything that had been written about Russia was nonsense.”

    Several generals, Guderian, Blumentritt and Sepp Dietrich among them, have left reports expressing astonishment at their first encounter with the Russian T-34 tank, of which they had not previously heard and which was so heavily armored that the shells from the German antitank guns bounced harmlessly off it. The appearance of this panzer, Blumentritt said later, marked the beginning of what came to be called the “tank terror.” Also, for the first time in the war; the Germans did not have the benefit of overwhelming superiority in the air to protect their ground troops and scout ahead. Despite the heavy losses on the ground in the first day of the campaign and in early combat, Soviet fighter planes kept appearing, like the fresh divisions, out of nowhere.

    OOPS

    From The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.. which if you’re interested on the topic then I highly recommend.
     
  38. Popovio

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    Oh definitely, he waited too late. The Balkans' terrain is such a nightmare, I don't understand how he thought that theater could be wrapped up quickly.



    The Soviet's counter-offensive against Army Group Center in the winter of '41 is an interesting read.
     
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    I highly recommend “City of Theives” if you haven’t read it and you’re looking for WWII historical fiction from a Russian vantage point. It’s set in the siege of Leningrad, written by David Benioff and adapted from his interviewing his Grandfather who lived through the siege. I don’t read enough for leisure but I couldn’t put that book down.
     
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    When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
     
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    But for real I do love a good history thread.

    My first thought was during the 2nd Battle of Ypres in WWI when, in the midst of the shelling and machine gun fire heretofore unseen in its intensity in all of history, the Germans dropped chlorine gas on the French for the first time.
     
  43. Jake Barnes

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    The Invasion of Okinawa in WWII was so brutal that it almost single-handedly convinced the Americans that the most humane option was to fast-track use of the atomic bombs to end the Pacific campaign.
     
  44. Coach Prison Mike

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    Honorable mention to the series of battles between Grant and Lee at the end of the Civil War.

    The Wilderness, Cold Harbor, Fredericksburg, Spotslvania Court House, and Chancellorsville were all (by design) absolute blood baths.
     
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  45. DriveByBBQ

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    The "most intense" battle to me means being on the losing side of lopsided slaughter. Specifically, the moments before awaiting your impending doom. Dunkirk without the evacuation.

    -Battle of Little Bighorn; Custer's Last Stand;
    June 25–26, 1876;
    2,500 Indigenous Plainsmen vs. 700 U.S. Cavalrymen
    Surrounded by Lakota et al. in Custer's 7th Cavalry is as an intense scenario I can place myself.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn

    -Battle of Isandlwana;
    January 22, 1879;
    20,000 Zulu Warriors vs. 1,800 British Imperial soldiers
    Also a great movie.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Isandlwana


    -Battle of the Alamo;
    February 23 – March 6, 1836;
    1,800 Mexicans vs. 250 Texans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alamo
     
  46. Bruce Wayne

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    In the same breadth had we actually been forced to invade Japan that would’ve been #1, and it wouldn’t have been close
     
  47. AIOLICOCK

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    I know numbers aren't the only thing that counts, but it's hard to consider these when like 25,000 people died in like 12 hours at antietam, as a for-instance
     
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    Doesn’t even make sense
     
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