who are you voting for?

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by dtx, Jun 9, 2020.

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  1. biden

    93.4%
  2. trump

    6.6%
  1. Lyrtch

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    Gotta factor in youth too
     
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  2. Jimmy the Saint

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    This board is primarily white, college-educated 30-40 year olds and we ran off most of the chuds.

    You also get roundly shamed for being a chud here so there's probably a bunch in the shadows.
     
  3. Daniel Ocean

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    college educated voters usually lean left. Also Biden was not the preferred candidate but out of the two he is clearly the better one.
     
  4. Lyrtch

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    we keep a list

    just in case
     
  5. tylerdolphin

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    Yeah I know educated people in general lean left. But the overwhelming majority you see in this poll is usually reserved for things like whether the earth is a globe. It's a good thing though. The Trump thing is equal parts fascinating (in a scary way) and mind numbing to me from the outside looking in.
     
  6. Bo Pelinis

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    Good to remember that Trump is a historical piece of shit, as well. Just unbelievably hatable. There’s not oven a pretend facade of normal respectable politician.
     
  7. Lyrtch

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    its definitely not broadly representative, due to age and education it'd be pro biden lean

    but due to white males, and the ones who aren't uneducated on here it'd drag it the other way

    it should probably be 70-30 range if the board was representative and not self-selected, maybe 65/35
     
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  8. AptosDuck

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    If the Republican candidate were a competent politician instead of an ignorant narcissistic buffoon, the majority would not be nearly so overwhelming
     
  9. chuckmasterflex

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    I think the shaming is part of it, but a bigger factor is the rise in political threads. Like half of the Trumpocalypse is former republicans who didn't really consider stuff until they started talking about issues online.
     
  10. dtx

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    the biggest factor is you’d have to be a huge fucking idiot to still be a trump supporter at this point and all of the stupid shit he does is in your face on this board

    even the dumbest of people on here realize how fucking awful he is by now
     
  11. bwi2

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    10 years ago, the GOP was comprised of tandins and swimfans. Over the last 10 years, the GOP decided it only wanted to be a party of swimfans. Lots of people liked tandin, and pretty much everyone saw swimfan as the gigantic piece of shit that he was/is. It’s a strategic move with disastrous effects for GOP popularity amongst high-information, educated individuals across all demographics, and that bears itself out in this poll.

    Edit to add: the distinction between tandin and swimfan is certainly substantive, and perhaps it’s related, but I think a huge factor is that swimfans are just legitimately awful people that anyone with half a brain doesn’t want to associate with. The shitpitters weren’t purged because they like Trump, they were purged because they were consistently awful people.
     
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  12. Lyrtch

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    rip tandin

    but

    the suit and tie gop'ers in the paul ryan lane were also profoundly wrong about policy and thats part of why all that's left is culture warriors like swimfan folks.
     
  13. Lyrtch

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    to be clear so were the democrats, the failure of the global neoliberal project and just austerity focused policy making is the impetus for *waves hands around* all of this
     
  14. Lyrtch

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    because of your perspective i would be curious what you think the gop coalition looks like over the next ten years

    its a tenuously held together coalition under trump, just not sure how that goes if say biden wins by 8pts
     
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  15. tylerdolphin

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    You'd think if it's a big margin of victory for Biden they'd almost certainly have to sit down and rethink some of their wildly unpopular positions, particularly the social issues but also stuff like minimum wage revisions, tax shit for the ultra rich, ect.

    But then again I guess it's the sort of thing where they can't afford to alienate whatever shrinking base they do have on lock.

    That's probably an oversimplification of a more complex issue though.
     
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  16. NCHusker

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    Level of intellectual and philosophical engagement here is quite high which has moved me and I'm sure several others left. Probably accounts for a lot of it too
     
  17. ShuPoor

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    The wonderful thing about their base is they have no actual core beliefs, they will believe whatever the conservative media apparatus tells them to. In 2015 they were all free market fanatics, now they just love their tariffs and trade wars. Conservative, in America at least, is an identity and not a concrete set of beliefs.
     
  18. bwi2

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    It’s bad. I don’t see anyone on that side of the aisle who is offering substantive reasons to vote Republican/who is going to change the message to a positive case, not just SOCIALISM BAD. (Side note, probably my biggest complaint with Biden’s messaging is the defensiveness over the ACA. Don’t defend Obamacare, crush Trump for being in power for four years and offering literally nothing)

    I don’t know what a winning national coalition looks like for the Republicans if the Democrats can pass (and defend) voter protection laws. The Ryan types aren’t going to be able to expand the tent as long as the nativist/racist anchor is hanging around their necks, and when Biden’s presidency doesn’t in fact lead to financial ruin amongst Wall Street, people who could be persuaded by a Ryan type candidate won’t feel inclined to get the stink of the GOP on them.

    I think the Wall Street types have an impossible task given modern media to compete with the Tucker Carlson types for control of the GOP message so ultimately I think the latter is what you get for a GOP coalition going forward, but I don’t know what happens when that coalition can’t deliver wins.
     
  19. Champ

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    That and I’m guessing with results visible, a lot of Trump voters aren’t voting in this poll.
     
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  20. Lyrtch

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    kind of where i'm at, the educated whites they tried to keep in the fold after '12 are probably gone for a generation. there's room to grow if they went with a multi-cultural conservative (lots of non-white conservatives who would probably head the gop direction if they weren't so overtly racist and trying to keep them from voting) and fiscally moderate party, but so much power is still in the hands of the fiscal conservative donors.

    like you said the test is if biden maximizes his options, if they get HR1 through, shore up supreme court from just throwing shit out, and some popular policies to run on preserving i'm not sure where the gop can chip away.

    should add with a former president trump making it all much harder
     
  21. chuckmasterflex

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    I guess Amy Coney Barrett on the SCOTUS is the ultimate test if the business wing of the GOP can hold up their end of the bargain with the religious right wing.

    Elected Republicans never wanted to have the chance to overturn Roe, but shit happens.
     
  22. bwi2

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    The number of issues that I would have argued about in 2012 - or even 2016 - which have been replaced by a personal platform of “knock yourself out, I don’t give a shit; I’m not voting for a Republican” is pretty substantial.

    There’s probably a good chunk of Trump/Biden voters who are gettable by, say, Mitt Romney, but someone like that doesn’t have the juice with the right wing to make it a winning coalition.
     
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  23. Weedlord420

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    :cryingjordan:
     
  24. Name P. Redacted

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    Voted trump

    because lech is fat wasn’t an option

    and I think lech is more similar to trump than biden
     
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  25. steamengine

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    An overnight flip of the switch from don’t tread on me militia warriors to police state cheerleaders will probably always be my favorite of these. Or maybe it’s just still fresh on my mind.
     
  26. Daniel Ocean

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  27. Bo Pelinis

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    I think this also played a big part in pushing people away, though. The transition from lip service to certain more high minded economic or political arguments to a complete and immediate about face into tariffs and overt white supremacy made me, at least, finally and very obviously realize Republicans don’t actually hold those beliefs.

    If they don’t hold those beliefs then how valid could those beliefs be? They’re a fiction. A fantasy. If nobody actually holds them then they don’t actually really have value or merit or are even a real thing. So then the pretense that they’re important must be rejected.

    The only next logical step is to re-examine those beliefs intensely. Thus, a huge leftward shift for people like me.
     
  28. Redav

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    I really don't know what a winning coalition looks like. The way you win the Republican nom and juice turnout is going heavy on the cultural grievance stuff... but the ceiling for that is like 40% in a general
     
  29. dtx

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    it’s pretty amazing that’s we’ve gone from biden being a moderate to even leaning right on some things to being labeled as the radical left

    the gop has gone on a path that can’t be saved for a long fucking time
     
  30. Daniel Ocean

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    anyone with half a working brain can see the gop attempting to label Biden and Harris “radical left” illustrates their words are meaningless.
     
  31. Name P. Redacted

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    I think triggering the libs and not being told what they can/can’t/should/shouldn’t do covers about 80% of their ideology.
     
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  32. ANTWONE

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    Doesn’t matter who it is - anyone with a D next to their name is branded radical left by republicans at this point
     
  33. kinghill

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    compare vs this:
    https://www.the-mainboard.com/index...e-u-s-president-feat-immortal-lizards.163461/
     
  34. tylerdolphin

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  35. kinghill

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    you ain't seen nothin yet
     
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  36. kinghill

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  37. BWC

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  38. Duval

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    Pretty wild to see that, when just a month or so ago I was told to start posting on stormfront.
     
  39. Lyrtch

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    to be clear this is when you were crying about posters leaving who couldn't handle people disagreeing with them in the middle of one of the more embarrassing displays of posting among our older contingent in years
     
  40. tylerdolphin

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    Which thread was this? I think I missed it.
     
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  41. dtx

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    prerecordedlive no longer supports trump

    he’s all aboard the gaetz train
     
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  42. Lyrtch

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  43. Duval

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    the crux of my argument was that you’re an insufferable twat, which I still stand by.
     
  44. Lyrtch

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    i'm just pointing out that the "you can find the posters who got run off on stormfront" remark is a pretty solid bet for the ones who actually got banned

    but I do enjoy the overall aggrieved positioning
     
  45. Iron Mickey

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    lol I remember our gerontological meltdown
     
  46. CoastalOrange

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    I think this is along the same lines for me. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump in 2016 but mostly voted R in that election otherwise. Over the past 4 years I have continued to mature and now see the world a bit differently than I did in 2016 and before. When you combine that maturation with the actions of the Republican party over the past few years, it has created a perfect storm where I am firmly in the Democrat camp. My previous thought was, "well I might not agree with all of the policies, but, on the whole, I tend to align more with the Republicans so they get my vote more so by default." Now, I have that same thought but it is for any and all Democrat candidates. Honestly, unless there is some massive change in the Republican party, I don't see myself voting for another one as long as I live.
     
  47. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    Knock it off, Butthead