Who will be the Democratic nominee in 2020?

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Who will be the Democratic candidate for 2020?

  1. Beto

    19.2%
  2. Warren

    9.6%
  3. Bernie

    7.6%
  4. Biden

    23.7%
  5. Ocasio

    1.0%
  6. Hillary

    2.5%
  7. Kamala

    16.2%
  8. Oprah

    3.5%
  9. Landrieu

    0.5%
  10. Bloomberg

    2.0%
  11. Cuomo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Holder

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Deval

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Booker

    3.0%
  15. Other candidate

    11.1%
  1. BrickTamland

    BrickTamland You're not Ron...
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    I don't know, I'm not well versed in economics. What's the prevailing sentiment in fixing "economic inequality?"
     
  2. Soup

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    What do you set that bracket at?
     
  3. BrickTamland

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    Didn't mean to turn this into the income inequality thread.
     
  4. Joe_Pesci

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    Round up every billionaire and give them the choice of losing their head or 90% of their net worth
     
  5. NCHusker88

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    Tax rich people more

    I'm not an economist but I think the 70% above $15 million is a good start. I'd say it's too low but we're not ready as a country to accept anything more extreme. Gotta shake the decades of right wing socialism fear mongering first
     
  6. Lyrtch

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    couple more aggressive progressive taxation rates and a robust social welfare system so your birth zip code doesn't largely predict the rest of your life like it does here is the short version of how other countries decrease income inequality and increase social mobility
     
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  7. Lyrtch

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    oh and not literally just shoveling more and more money into the endless pit that is defense spending
     
  8. Redav

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    Suck our dicks Mexico and Chile
     
  9. Fran Tarkenton

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    We are on a trajectory towards the gilded age, not towards some level of acceptability.
     
  10. The Banks

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    Not everyone agrees with this, or at least their actions don’t.
     
  11. The Banks

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    Estate tax, wealth tax, higher highest marginal tax rate, etc.
     
  12. Lyrtch

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    we've spent the last 50 years testing their method

    *watches income inequality sky rocket*

    oh
     
  13. NCHusker88

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    Income inequality rivals that of pre-revolution France

    "Yeah but there has to be an acceptable level right"
     
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  14. BrickTamland

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    I’m still not clear on this. There is an acceptable level of inequality, correct?
     
  15. Soup

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    When the last child cries for a crust of bread.

    We shall be free.
     
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  16. Lyrtch

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    oh so we're doing this
     
  17. BrickTamland

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    You said there was, but I got the impression that NCHusker88 suggested there wasn’t.
     
  18. Soup

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    Is he normally a troll?

    Just seems like an honest question to me.
     
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  19. Lyrtch

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    its been answered and dodging all the discussion of pathways to ameliorate and information about how much an outlier we are to ask it again feels decidedly like not really wanting to have a discussion at all
     
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  20. Lyrtch

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    especially when posts like this are dropped in
     
  21. Soup

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    I've seen people say that it's too high, and what to do to fix it, but not what the acceptable number is.

    Like, what number using the chart you posted?

    Under 10?

    In the 5-6 range?
     
  22. Lyrtch

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    the point is worrying about what the target is when people can't decide if its a problem at all or advocate for even the mildest policy to address it is wildly unimportant. do what we know will address it and re-calibrate the policies in a few years based on how effective

    but I think America should shoot to be the best, we're wealthier per capita than the top of the list, so let's say 5.5 and call it a day
     
  23. Soup

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    It was important in this conversation I think for people to point out where they think an acceptable level is. Thanks for doing so. Curious what it would take to get us into that 5.5 range? As far as tax reform and deduction in defense/military spending?
     
  24. Lyrtch

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    if you had the weight of every economic think tank and university in the US to draw up a plan to get there you'd get 30 different plans, you're basically trying to reset the entire economy we've been building for the explicit goal of increasing inequality for half a century

    instead of me regurgitating entire books worth of material google around about how other countries tax income, tax wealth, tax estates, and what they do to make sure every kid gets a fair shot by having robust social support systems

    the top of the previous shared list is a good start
     
  25. BrickTamland

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    Just started this Amazon show about inequality:

     
  26. Matt Foley

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    I’m not even sorry that I sent the thread down this path.
     
  27. NCHusker88

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    Yes but why is that question relevant to the discussion of American politics in 2019? We're nearer pre French revolution levels of inequality than we are acceptable levels. That was my point.
     
  28. The Banks

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  29. Fran Tarkenton

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    how about you define whats the limit of an acceptable level of inequality rather than making your audience chase it down

    unless you are saying that we are currently at an acceptable level of inequality
     
  30. lechnerd

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  31. The Banks

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    Imagine being so stupid that you don't understand the difference between weather and climate.
     
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  32. Joe_Pesci

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    or global vs local
     
  33. Josey Wales

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    If the nominee is very progressive or a minority, i think Sherrod Brown will be the VP.
     
  34. pearl

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  35. The Banks

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    Thanks, Alexa
     
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    Or Mayor Pete

    But yea Brown is the obvious Trump counter for a D ticket
     
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  37. Lyrtch

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    sherrod isn't giving up that senate seat to be VP nor should he
     
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  38. The Banks

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    Your theoretical VP nom?
     
  39. Lyrtch

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    matters who top of the ticket is, not to mention it'll be taking into account ideological and demographic counters as well as state of the race

    the Mayor Pete choice would be a high risk high reward one, gay indiana mayor vs former governor insane religious fundamentalist both from the same state?
     
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  40. Lyrtch

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    if its Pete i'm clearing my calendar for VP debates I can tell you that
     
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  41. NilesIrish

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    If he has no clear path Pete will drop. I don't think VP is in the cards for him. He is sticking to exploratory, I may learn more, and Beeds07 may know more already, after we meet with his COS.
     
  42. Josey Wales

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    What makes you say that with any confidence?
     
  43. Josey Wales

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    Potentially losing OH senate seat is a negative, but this was my logic for Sherrod. He could essentially campaign across WI, MI, OH and PA and would kick butt.
     
  44. Lyrtch

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    i dont think any presidential hopeful would knee cap their own ability to legislate by vacating a senate seat they'll not get back when there are going to be 30 candidates lined up

    not even taking into account whether sherrod would give up a very valuable job for a mostly symbolic one

    not to mention if ohio is in play the Dem is probably going to roll and doesn't need the nominal bump him being VP would bring
     
  45. Josey Wales

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    I don’t think that’s very airtight logic. I didn’t know if something had been reported.
     
  46. Lyrtch

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    feel free to bump it in a year, i just dont think the political calculus makes sense for basically anyone involved in the decision making
     
  47. Josey Wales

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    Meh I’m not going to throw anything in your face.

    If he starts his 2020 run he’s already potentially hamstringing his ability to legislate. It’s unlikely Dems win the Senate, but they MUST win the House and POTUS. A risk worth taking iyam.
     
  48. mtsucalico85

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    You could say the same thing about Klobuchar, though, with less risk of losing a senate seat. Minnesota demographics aren't that dissimilar as those states, and she outperforms typical DFL candidates in the state.
     
  49. Josey Wales

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    Correct. Similar appeal.

    A lot just depends on who wins the presidential nom.
     
  50. Gallant Knight

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    the cory booker baby bond idea is a total nonstarter for me. would much rather invest in the public education system than just give a bunch of kids $2k/year. spend the $2k making breakfast and lunch free at all public schools 7 days a week with activities on weekends for k-8 and let kids invest in themselves that way. or spend the $2k/kid/year making community 60 hours of community college free for all kids.

    also pretty convenient for warren that she is worth $10 million and would be exempt from her wealth tax.

    i think taxing the ultrawealthy a small % of their net worth is an infinitely better plan than taxing 60-70% of income from someone making 10-15m / year.