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Discussion in 'Game of Thrones (ASOIAF)' started by Illinihockey, Aug 5, 2015.
Goddamnit George don't get my hopes up
yeah its finished for sure, I think it has been for a while too.
I think he's done or has been very close to it and possible book 7 now. I'm just an optimistic faggot though and held on to the hope he was writing them somewhat at the same time like he did 4 & 5.
He's such a fucking troll.
not sure why that would give you hope even if he was.
because I'm a faggot
My unwarranted optimism about the speed with which he can write #7 stems from the fact that he's known for some time now how everyone's arcs end. So, in essence, he already has probably the final third of #7 "written."
The fact that he was adding storylines in 5 and book 6 hasn't come out yet leads me to believe he has no fucking idea what he's doing and this may not even end up being 7 books.
He said he wants the shocking events to be born naturally and organically from the characters and the situations. He also said his shocking twist in “Winds of Winter” is something that can’t be translated into the hit HBO show. “The show has already -- on this particular character -- made a couple decisions that will preclude it, where in my case I have not made those decisions,” he said.
Wonder who that might be
Well, let's think about who the show has killed off whom are still alive in the books.
And there is no way that sentence was grammatically correct. :/
He said a while ago that the guy khal drogo killed by ripping out his tongue isn't dead in the books and may have a larger role than in the show.
The guy who gave Drogo his mortal wound?
I don't think so. Can't remember his name. It was when he ripped his tongue out through the guys throat with his bare hands. I'll see if I can find the article when I'm not on mobile.
Stannis isn't dead on the show.
I think he is on the show
I hold out hope when they don't show the kill on camera.
You were right it was mago that did that in the show, it's different in the books. Here's the quote from Martin.
nope, Stannis is dead on the show...I know the show writers are fucking with us about Jon but they are not leaving any doubt with Stannis
It is funny to see that many of Stannis' website minions are just as delusional as he was when he was still alive.
I say you he dead
Hate what they did to Stannis on the show. They found a way to make him the peoples champ only to have him ice Shireen a day before getting his ass raped by Ramsay. Think that is something that will change in the book or stay the same? I know Mel has been hinting at offing Shireen for awhile but don't recall Stannis mentioning it or being on board. To have Stannis' crazy bitch wife be the one who tries to pull the plug on it when she was the one pushing for it was also poor execution on the show IMO. Either way I'm glad she hung herself.
Yea I think it ends up happening in the books at some point.
GRRM hates his religious zealots. He'll probably make Stannis do some worse shit in the books.
The polish publisher for ASOIF told their translator to save time at the end of the year for TWOW
Obviously I hope this is true, but it feels like we get a translator rumor every couple of weeks.
There are a lot of languages out there.
This doesnt sound fucking good. He just posted this on his blog:
The last post from the Lost Post, and the one you've all been waiting for.
Back when this was one long long long post, before Live Journal sent it to the cornfield, I mentioned opening with Dickens' line, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." So it was for me in 2015. I've spent much of the day recreating (in Cliff's Note summaries) my own personal "best of times" from the previous year, all the wonderful things that went down for me in 2015, the awards and the publications and the bestseller lists, the cons and the parties, the travel, all the exciting new projects underway at HBO and right here down the street in Santa Fe. But inevitably that brings me to my own personal "worst of times," and that is considerably less fun to blog about, so do forgive my reluctance to do so.
You wanted an update. Here's the update. You won't like it.
THE WINDS OF WINTER is not finished.
Believe me, it gave me no pleasure to type those words. You're disappointed, and you're not alone. My editors and publishers are disappointed, HBO is disappointed, my agents and foreign publishers and translators are disappointed... but no one could possibly be more disappointed than me. For months now I have wanted nothing so much as to be able to say, "I have completed and delivered THE WINDS OF WINTER" on or before the last day of 2015.
But the book's not done.
Nor is it likely to be finished tomorrow, or next week. Yes, there's a lot written. Hundreds of pages. Dozens of chapters. (Those 'no pages done' reports were insane, the usual garbage internet journalism that I have learned to despise). But there's also a lot still left to write. I am months away still... and that's if the writing goes well. (Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't.) Chapters still to write, of course... but also rewriting. I always do a lot of rewriting, sometimes just polishing, sometimes pretty major restructures.
I suppose I could just say, "Sorry, boys and girls, still writing," and leave it at that. "It will be done when it's done." Which is what I have been doing, more or less, since... well, forever. But with season 6 of GAME OF THRONES approaching, and so many requests for information boiling up, I am going to break my own rules and say a little more, since it would appear that hundreds of my readers, maybe thousands or tens of thousands, are very concerned about this question of 'spoilers" and the show catching up, revealing things not yet revealed in the books, etc.
My publishers and I have been cognizant of these concerns, of course. We discussed some of them last spring, as the fifth season of the HBO series was winding down, and came up with a plan. We all wanted book six of A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE to come out before season six of the HBO show aired. Assuming the show would return in early April, that meant THE WINDS OF WINTER had to be published before the end of March, at the latest. For that to happen, my publishers told me, they would need the completed manuscript before the end of October. That seemed very do-able to me... in May. So there was the first deadline: Halloween.
Unfortunately, the writing did not go as fast or as well as I would have liked. You can blame my travels or my blog posts or the distractions of other projects and the Cocteau and whatever, but maybe all that had an impact... you can blame my age, and maybe that had an impact too...but if truth be told, sometimes the writing goes well and sometimes it doesn't, and that was true for me even when I was in my 20s. And as spring turned to summer, I was having more bad days than good ones. Around about August, I had to face facts: I was not going to be done by Halloween. I cannot tell you how deeply that realization depressed me.
Early August saw me back east for my nephew's wedding and an appearance with the Staten Island Direwolves. I took advantage of the visit to have another sit down with my editors and publishers and told them that I didn't think I could deliver by Halloween. I thought they'd be sick about it... but I have to say, my editors and publishers are great, and they took it with surprising equanimity. (Maybe they knew it before I did). They already had contigencies in place. They had made plans to speed up production. If I could deliver WINDS OF WINTER by the end of the year, they told me, they could still get it our before the end of March.
I was immensely relieved. I had two whole extra months! I could make that, certainly. August was an insane month, too much travel, too many other obligations... but I'd have September, October, and now November and December as well. Once again I was confident I could do it.
Here it is, the first of January. The book is not done, not delivered. No words can change that. I tried, I promise you. I failed. I blew the Halloween deadline, and I've now blown the end of the year deadline. And that almost certainly means that no, THE WINDS OF WINTER will not be published before the sixth season of GAME OF THRONES premieres in April (mid April, we are now told, not early April, but those two weeks will not save me). Even as late as my birthday and our big Emmy win, I still thought I could do it... but the days and weeks flew by faster than the pile of pages grew, and (as I often do) I grew unhappy with some of the choices I'd made and began to revise... and suddenly it was October, and then November... and as the suspicion grew that I would not make it after all, a gloom set in, and I found myself struggling even more. The fewer the days, the greater the stress, and the slower the pace of my writing became.
Look, I have always had problems with deadlines. For whatever reason, I don't respond well to them. Back in November, when I returned to Northwestern to accept my Alumni Award, I told the Medill students that was why I started writing fiction instead of getting a job on a newspaper. I knew even then that daily deadlines would kill me. That was a joke, of course... but there was truth in it too. I wrote my first novel, DYING OF THE LIGHT, without a contract and without a deadline. No one even knew I was writing a novel until I sent the completed book to Kirby to sell. I wrote FEVRE DREAM the same way. I wrote THE ARMAGEDDON RAG the same way. No contracts, no deadlines, no one waiting. Write at my own pace and deliver when I'm done. That's really how I am most comfortable, even now.
But I won't make excuses. There are no excuses. No one else is to blame. Not my editors and publishers, not HBO, not David & Dan. It's on me. I tried, and I am still trying. I worked on the book a couple of days ago, revising a Theon chapter and adding some new material, and I will writing on it again tomorrow. But no, I can't tell you when it will be done, or when it will be published. Best guess, based on our previous conversations, is that Bantam (and presumably my British publisher as well) can have the hardcover out within three months of delivery, if their schedules permit. But when delivery will be, I can't say. I am not going to set another deadline for myself to trip over. The deadlines just stress me out.
I am going back to my stance from last March, before all this. It will be done when it's done. And it will be as good as I can possibly make it.
Having said all that, I know what the next question will be, because hundreds of you have already asked it of me. Will the show 'spoil' the novels?
Maybe. Yes and no. Look, I never thought the series could possibly catch up with the books, but it has. The show moved faster than I anticipated and I moved more slowly. There were other factors too, but that was the main one. Given where we are, inevitably, there will be certain plot twists and reveals in season six of GAME OF THRONES that have not yet happened in the books. For years my readers have been ahead of the viewers. This year, for some things, the reverse will be true. How you want to handle that... hey, that's up to you. Look, I read Andy Weir's novel THE MARTIAN before I saw the movie. But I saw the BBC production of JONATHAN STRANGE AND MR NORRELL before I finally got around to reading Susanna Clarke's novel. In both cases, I loved the book and I loved the adaptation. It does not need to be one or the other. You might prefer one over the other, but you can still enjoy the hell out of both.
Of course, there's an aspect to our situation that did not apply to either the Weir or Clarke cases. Those novels were finished before they were optioned, adapted, and filmed. The case of GAME OF THRONES and A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE is perhaps unique. I can't think of any other instance where the movie or TV show came out as the source material was still being written. So when you ask me, "will the show spoil the books," all I can do is say, "yes and no," and mumble once again about the butterfly effect. Those pretty little butterflies have grown into mighty dragons. Some of the 'spoilers' you may encounter in season six may not be spoilers at all... because the show and the books have diverged, and will continue to do so.
IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ALL FIVE SEASONS AND READ ALL FIVE BOOKS, STOP HERE!
Just consider. Mago, Irri, Rakharo, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Pyat Pree, Pyp, Grenn, Ser Barristan Selmy, Queen Selyse, Princess Shireen, Princess Myrcella, Mance Rayder, and King Stannis are all dead in the show, alive in the books. Some of them will die in the books as well, yes... but not all of them, and some may die at different times in different ways. Balon Greyjoy, on the flip side, is dead in the books, alive on the show. His brothers Euron Crow's Eye and Victarion have not yet been introduced (will they appear? I ain't saying). Meanwhile Jhiqui, Aggo, Jhogo, Jeyne Poole, Dalla (and her child) and her sister Val, Princess Arianne Martell, Prince Quentyn Martell, Willas Tyrell, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Lord Wyman Manderly, the Shavepate, the Green Grace, Brown Ben Plumm, the Tattered Prince, Pretty Meris, Bloodbeard, Griff and Young Griff, and many more have never been part of the show, yet remain characters in the books. Several are viewpoint characters, and even those who are not may have significant roles in the story to come in THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING.
GAME OF THRONES is the most popular television series in the world right now. The most pirated as well. It just won a record number of Emmy Awards, including the ultimate prize, for the best drama on television. It's an incredible production with an incredible cast and crew.
WINDS OF WINTER should be pretty good too, when it comes out. As good as I can make it, anyway.
Which is a long way of saying, "How may children did Scarlett O'Hara have?"
Enjoy the show. Enjoy the books.
Meanwhile, I'll keep writing. Chapter at a time. Page at a time. Word at a time. That's all I know how to do.
He is such a fuck.
Poor guy, deadlines stress him out. What a unique condition.
Well at this point he better not rush it and it needs to be awesome...knew this was coming but still sucks
that piece of shit said last May he could do it by October and it's going to take him at least fucking 12 months from when he said that to finish, what the fuck could possibly be going through his mind besides donuts and dongs to think he could push the rest of the book out in 2 months?
maddeningly lazy individual. nobody in this world had illusions about #7 being done before the show but my god he has absolutely disappointed millions with this colossal, all-time fuckup. like I give a fuck if Pyat Pree turns back up and dies later, all the major stuff is going to go down more or less like he said(at best he's going to change it around if he sees it not do well on the show or just has second thoughts after all these years but you know damn good and well the very major stuff will happen more or less as George designed it).
his publishers have to be going mental because they missed out on maybe the biggest gold rush in modern publishing history because if that thing comes out in March and they go "here it is, show's in 4 weeks, you don't want spoilers do you?" they wouldn't have been able to keep the book on shelves.
I think he wants the show to write the books for him.
Yup. its like the dreaded end of term paper and then finding out you already have an A. You can say "I just gotta sit down and do it" but you never do. I'm actually glad that there was such a drop off over the last two books as now I'm more ok with just acknowledging the story as a pretty good tv show.
He should consider paying jk rowling to finish it for him srs
I can't imagine what'd it feel like to be somebody that starting reading these in '96.
Maybe he should bring in this guy to finish them
He's not finishing this series. He'll finish Winds of Winter, but he'll either die before finishing book 7 or decide halfway through writing it that he needs an 8th book and he'll die before finishing that.
there still gonna be 8 books and 8 seasons? or what
He's fucking stupid.
7 books 8 seasons
i started in '03 not 96 but at this point most of us have just become completely apathetic towards it.
I like the show, but I love how much everyone hates this guy
Started in '05. Hate him sooooo much. Won't buy 6 or 7 out of spite at this point. Just watch the show.