I find this to be a non-compelling distinction. If your sexual acts towards another person are wrong on account of your abuse of your power/influence over that person, you are a sexual predator.
Definitely don’t agree that something has to be illegal to make the person doing it a pervert/predator
Stop being disingenuous. You’re quoting my post because you are addressing something I’ve said. That is why people quote others. Ian quoted pearl’s post for that reason. For some reason you’re trying to ignore what started the conversation and that’s Pearl’s post.
Ian quoted Pearl but didnt comment on the specific situation, just that its a bad idea to have 22 year olds teaching in high school. You responded to that part.
I dont think abusing power in a consensual relationship makes someone a pervert. We can agree to disagree.
he didn’t mention an imaginary 18 year old and neither did I but somehow that hypothetical individual made it into your situation. I think an adult working with high school students shouldn’t try to fuck them regardless of the ages involved. The power dynamics makes it an extremely fucked up situation. I didn’t mess with any student because it felt creepy and made me feel like I’d have been preying on them. Anyway I should have listen to my own advice and stopped this a while ago.
18 years olds are in high school. HTH And agree, the 22 year old shouldn't. I just don’t think a 22 years is automatically a perv bc they hooked up with an 18 yr old.
Ehh not necessarily. Its against the law in all cases and shouldn't happen but I dont think its automatically non-consensual.
My point overall is that some 22 year olds ars going to be attracted to some 18 year olds. That's natural and nothing perv or predator about it. That doesnt automatically turn off bc of the situation. Thats why I think its a bad idea to have 22 year olds teaching in high school.
I think 21-22 is old enough but I also think a person at that age should know better than to mess with any high school student. It’s somewhat “predatory” imo because of the power dynamics and because the student is in high school. While “technically” an adult that individual is still a child. For the most part high school students don’t have life experience they are still extremely immature. So a 22 year old in a position of power is taking advantage. While it might not be technically illegal it is wrong. But, as Devine points out it probably can’t legally be consensual because of the power dynamics.
Nobody blinks an eye at a 22 yr old and an 18 yr old in college. That's a few months after the 18 yr old graduates high school. I agree its wrong and it shouldn't happen but putting 22 yr olds in that situation is going to end badly way more than any of us would like. Thats why I think its a bad idea to have 22 yr olds teaching in high schools.
so what are these teachers supposed to do after they graduate and get licensed up before becoming old enough to teach high schoolers?
this you should be 28 to teach HS is a mt Rushmore dumb take in board history didn't think we still had it in us
do you think all teachers are qualified to teach all levels? An elementary school teacher isn’t qualified to teach high school and vice versa.
"hey person that just spent years training and student teaching with a specific age range group, go teach kids that are half that age"
I think a teacher could easily go from 7th grade to 9th grade. Agree going from 1st to 11th is different worlds.
Yea 6 yr olds and 17 year olds are different worlds. Agree there. But 7th and 9th? Idk seems like the same world to me but I'll admit im not an expert.
In some states the certification isn’t across that age. k-6, 4-8, 6-12, 7-12 are probably the most common.
Sounds like it is different certification and you have to be specially endorsed for 9-12. Unless you're SPED in which you're K-12.
asked my wife who is a high school history teacher, she said (like others have already pointed out) in California it’s single subject vs multi subject certification so elementary would be out. But, she said while technically she could teach middle school history the curriculum and subject matters are different. She didn’t say this but I will, I think it would add unnecessary burden to teachers to force them to teach one set of standards and curriculum for a short time only to have to go and change everything up. It just doesn’t make sense and it’s not as simple as “have them teach lower grades for X amount of time “.
All teachers should be required to start at like kindergarten. If they can successfully not try to seduce the 5 year olds, the next year they get to move to 1st grade and so on.
If there's one thing I know, it's that there are tons of qualified teachers out there and we should definitely limit what jobs new grads can take
Its less about age and more about high school shouldn't be the first teaching job anyone gets. start from elementary or middle school first before getting thrown into the deep end of dealing with hormonal teenagers iyam.
Love when people helicopter into a thread having not read anything said by people who know what they are talking about and just shoot from the hip their dumb shit
most teachers I know have said teaching middle schoolers is more difficult than teaching high school students.
my wife is an elementary school teacher. she keeps grinding away in the minors and hopefully one day she’ll get promoted to the big leagues and get a college professorship
I’d imagine dbl would be against student teachers learning in high school too, since they are even younger