just finished. it was much better than I thought it was going to be. not much for battles, but I enjoy this history and mythology more than anything probably. really intrigued by who the 3 heads of the dragon will be. obviously Dany, and Jon seems like a good bet for the second. the third is a complete mystery. Tyrion is interesting, the part when Gemma told Jaime that it was Tyrion who was Tywins son seemed to foreshadow a return. I could also see it be someone from Dorne. I don't think Arianne, maybe one of the Sand Snakes. would love for it to be Arya, but I can't see how she would be connected with the Targaeryns. I'm thinking her future could link up with Bran somehow since she seems to have the wolf dreams and hopefully that is Nymeria who is leading the pack of wolves in the Riverlands. also, is it a theory that Coldhands is Benjen? I'm guessing we'll find out about that in ADWD so most of you probably already know. it's going to be so depressing when I finish this book. I've been going at about a book per month pace, not sure what I'm going to do with myself...
holy fuck at how long the POVs are in ADWD. Reek's POV is 150 pages. that's gotta be something fucked up in the file, right?
I think the prevailing theory is John, Dany, Tyrion as heads of the dragon. Benjen as Coldhands makes the most sense.
another thing I was thinking about...it's obviously a common theory that Jon is really the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar, but my question is how would that ever be revealed to be true? it would seem that everyone who would know about that would be dead? the one person I could think that may know the truth is Howland Reed and maybe Meera through him. I'm just afraid that the secret of Jon's birth died with Ned.
I don't think Jon's origins would be such a large part of the books if there wasn't a device to reveal them
I think it was GRRM's initial intention, but because so many people figured it out and he doesn't get his big reveal that he may change it.
did anyone else think/hope for a second that the dwarf girl that tried to kill Tyrion was Arya? after I realized we were dealing with concurrent timelines, I realized that was impossible, but just for a second I thought it was her.
Wyman Maderly you fat fucking boss, I love you right now. That was one of my favorite POVs in the whole series.
I realize this is old but how could Jon Snow be the son of Raegar and Lyanna or whomever if it constantly refers to him looking like Ned and having the grey North eyes and that sort of thing?
I always thought the same thing. Doesn't Catelyn also say it makes her mad that Jon looks the most like Ned? thats why I missed the hint that R+L=J. However, I guess the fact that he looks like Ned could just be explained through Lyanna (Ned's sister) being his mother. All my cousins on my mothers side of my family look alike.
I hope the Dany POVs start to pick up because half way through they have been by far the worst. normally I really enjoyed her stuff, too.
This... I thought that was pretty obvious. Its said that Jon and Arya are the only ones that really resemble Starks, the rest favor the Tully side more.
Well shit, I completely forgot Lyanna was a Stark.. I read all 5 books back to back and my mind just couldn't hold all the details. Thanks for setting me straight gents
ugh just read the last Jon POV. I feel sick. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to finish this for a couple days. worse than the Red Wedding.
Red Wedding was worse for me as well...i think it's because in your heart you believe/hope that Robb will somehow come back and defeat the Lannisters and then it's all gone, just like that. You really had no idea it was coming before the start of the Red Wedding chapter. I feel like the tension with Jon and everyone else at the Wall had been building the whole book to a point where you knew something was going to happen. Especially when you can look back at the prologue with 20/20 vision.
yea I caught that. still though, to have his men turn on him like that was just brutal. Jon was too good for the Night's Watch.
That is part of it, but having Jon live out the rest of his days inside of Ghost would really piss me off as well.
so what am I missing? I noticed the "stick them with the pointy end" but I'm not really sure what that might have meant, thought maybe just a "life flashes before your eyes" type thing. also noticed that his wound was described as smoking - don't know if there's anything to that.
keep reading though, worth powering through and then you get to go to the book 5 thread and go wait til you see the thoughts Aegon and others have in there
I'll finish it tonight. I need to actually do some work today. this bookworm site is the worst thing to ever happen to my productivity.
i completely resemble that remark...I am re-watching and re-reading now to pick up on all this stuff I completely missed
i was a dumbass and did them all in about two and a half weeks...i just couldn't stop. Now im in the same boat as everyone else...raging at the fat fuck to write faster.
feel stupid for not putting Jon and Azor Ahai together right away, especially considering I had suspected Jon was him for a while, but I guess I was just blinded by rage and sadness when I first read that part. I did have Abel pegged as Mance pretty much right away at least.