What theories do you buy into and what do you think will happen in the upcoming books?

Discussion in 'Game of Thrones (ASOIAF)' started by slhorn, Oct 19, 2012.

  1. ttuman10

    ttuman10 Well-Known Member

    Most of those seemed about as realistic as male models assassinating jfk
     
  2. three stacks

    three stacks hasta la victoria siempre
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Miami HurricanesBarcelonaMiami HeatAntifaAnarchy

  3. Marv

    Marv Suck Brick Kid
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsAtlanta BravesAtlanta UnitedTottenham Hotspur

    The one that seemed plausible is Sansa taking over the LSH role. I dont think shell die, but I could see her merking some freys as she makes her way back to the Vale.
     
  4. coffee

    coffee Remember: Jedi is plural for Jedi
    Sporting Kansas CityKansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City Chiefs

    Ned's head was on a spike. Hard to survive that.
     
  5. Voodoo

    Voodoo Fan of: Notre Dame
    Donor
    Notre Dame Fighting IrishTottenham HotspurSan Francisco Giants

    Wouldn't make sense for Ned to hide that, though.
     
    OHW likes this.
  6. 34

    34 just gonna send it
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsToronto Blue JaysToronto RaptorsOttawa SenatorsArsenal

    Tis just a flesh wound
     
  7. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Globex Corporation, Philanthropist, Supervillain
    Donor
    Florida GatorsTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    Not sure if this is new or not, but read a theory that Jon Snow and Meera Reed are twins.
     
  8. allothersnsused

    allothersnsused Wow that’s crazy
    Donor
    Virginia CavaliersAtlanta BravesAtlanta HawksWashington Football TeamChelsea

    Ha, just came here to post this. I don't buy it, but I've definitely bought dumber theories.

    "Game of Thrones" fans, we thought we had George R.R. Martin figured out, but now it turns out we knowevenless than Jon Snow.

    The theory about Jon Snow's parentage is the most popular one out there. At this point, everyone pretty much accepts and expects R+L=J to happen, meaning Snow's parents are actually Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The show even hinted at it in Season 5.

    But now, thanks to one new theory, everything we thought we knew is about to change:

    The theory (Part 1): Lyanna Stark had twins.

    [​IMG]
    Image: gifatron

    Whaaaaaaaattttt!!!????? (Warning! This post may contains many more spontaneous "Whaaaaaaaattttts.")

    Redditor ghostchief recently offered an interesting prediction for the opening scene of Season 6, thinking it could be a flashback featuring Ned Stark and his sister Lyanna as she dies giving birth. It's a scene that's already expected in the upcoming season, but the Redditor's interpretation of it is more shocking than the Red Wedding:

    The dialogue swells and clarifies to [Lyanna's] voice, "Promise me, Ned."

    Her eyes slowly close.

    Ned begins to sob.

    He raises his head to sound another high pitch noise coming from the foot of the bed.

    A baby girl.

    Whaaaaaaatttttt!!!!????? (Sorry, we warned ya.)

    What if R+L= twins? But wait, is that even possible?

    It turns out, yup.

    Jon would obviously be one of the twins -- the boy twin for everyone keeping track at home. But who could be the other? Dany? Probably not. She's Daenerys Stormborn, aka her birth is a well-known story where her mom died during a great storm. What about someone who hasn't been introduced yet? Sure, that could be a possibility ... if there wasn't another character who already fits the role nearly perfectly:

    The theory (Part 2): Jon Snow's twin sister is Meera Reed. (R+L=J+M)

    Not a lot is known about what happened at the Tower of Joy, the place where, according to R+L=J, Lyanna made Ned promise to take care of Jon. Supposedly, Ned Stark and six of his main dudes fought three Kingsguard whom they found guarding the tower. From that fight, only two men survived: They were Ned Stark and his homie Howland Reed, aka Meera's "dad."

    Oh. Shiz.

    If Lyanna did have twins, the safest plan would be to split them up. According to the twins theory, one went with Ned, and the other went with Howland. And it turns out there's actually evidence to support this.

    The Evidence: Looks

    [​IMG]HBOMeera Reed and Jon Snow.
    First, just take a look at Jon Snow and Meera. The pair obviously use the same shampoo and conditioner. Meera's description in the book of brown hair and a slim build reminds you of Arya's, and Arya is also said to look like Jon. But like, is everyone seeing this? Put a beard on her, and they might as well be the same person. Case closed, right?

    The Evidence: Age

    Wait! Not so fast. In order to be twins, they have to be the same age. Isn't Meera way younger?

    Nope.

    According to a Wiki of Ice and Fire, and the appendix of Martin's second novel in the A Song of Ice and Fire series, A Clash of Kings, Meera and Jon are the exact same age.

    Whhhhhaaaatttt!!!!????

    Meera is described in the book as being several years older than her brother Jojen. A Wiki of Ice and Fire lists Meera and Jon's birth year as 283 AC, the same year Lyanna died, and the appendix of the book lists them both as 15 years old. Interestingly enough, many of the Stark kids have their ages next to them in subsequent book appendices, as well. Jon Snow's age, however, is conveniently removed, while Meera's age is changed in later books to 16. Could this be because we would notice their ages changing at the same time? Seven hells! That makes sense to us.



    The Evidence: History

    OK, this is all great, but what would really put this over the top is if there was some story from history or a legend resembling this in some way. You know Martin likes drawing inspiration from some of his favorite stories and material.

    Well, sure enough there is: the story of Romulus and Remus in the myth of Rome's foundation.

    The legend goes that after the king's brother seized power of Alba Longa, he wanted to wipe out his bro's bloodline by killing his heirs and forcing the king's daughter Rhea Silvia into chastity. Well, of course, Rhea gave birth to the twins, Romulus and Remus, who survived by being carried down a river and getting suckled by what incredibly symbolic animal? A damn she-wolf.

    [​IMG]WINDMILL BOOKS VIA GETTY IMAGESRomulus and Remus suckling from a wolf.
    The twins grow up ignorant of their true birth until finally learning about it, killing the king's brother, restoring the king to the throne and founding a new city.

    There's more symbolism here than gold in all of Casterly Rock: The twin's mother's name Rhea seems oddly similar to Rhaegar, the king's brother who's hellbent on wiping out the heirs would be Robert Baratheon, growing up ignorant of their birth is a common theme and, c'mon, a she-wolf? You might as well have called it Mrs. Stark.

    We call the theory new, but it has has popped up before on Reddit and A Forum of Ice and Fire, though some have dismissed it as "Way. Too. Star. Wars." But you can't deny the evidence.



    If true, this changes the entire series. Meera could be the prophesized third head of the dragon, or she could be the reborn Azor Ahai, a figure in Melisandre's faith who is supposedly going to save everyone from the White Walkers. In other words, Meera could be the chosen one. She's the Neville Longbottom to Jon Snow's Harry Potter.

    In A Clash of Kings, Sir Rodrick tells Bran, "Howland Reed was a great friend to your father," but a few paragraphs later, Bran recalls how his father would send letters to Howland, but none of the "crannogmen (the people Reed holds dominion over) had ever called at Winterfell."

    Wouldn't Howland want to strengthen the Reeds' alliance with the Starks through a marriage to his eligible daughter? Or, at the very least, if they were such great friends, why not pay a visit once in a while? Unless, perhaps, he was staying away for a reason. Unless perhaps that reason was a promise Ned made to Lyanna. Unless perhaps Meera Reed is Jon Snow's sister.

    Is Winter coming? Because we just got the chills.
     
    RockHardEnis39 likes this.
  9. coffee

    coffee Remember: Jedi is plural for Jedi
    Sporting Kansas CityKansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City Chiefs

    Well, yeah...until they reunite and inevitably make out, and make things just plain awkward for everyone in the room.

    [​IMG][​IMG]
     
  10. 34

    34 just gonna send it
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsToronto Blue JaysToronto RaptorsOttawa SenatorsArsenal

    Meera being AA doesn't make a whole lot of sense. However she could be Jons twin/the third head of the dragon. I still don't buy Tyrion being the third head.
     
  11. OHW

    OHW Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersSan Francisco GiantsDemocrat

    I buy Tyrion reluctantly.

    Tyrion, Jon, and Dany all killed their mothers in birth and had dragon dreams (I think Jon's reaction to Tyrion's story gives this away). I think Tyrion's odd eyes, weird hair, and twisted spine is reminiscent of Rhaego.
     
  12. OHW

    OHW Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersSan Francisco GiantsDemocrat

    AIP likes this.
  13. Pawpride

    Pawpride Clemson

    The whole Tyrion is a Targ theory is based off the fact that the Mad King took advantage of Prima Nocte with Tywin's wife on their wedding night, those offspring were Cersei and Jamie, not Tyrion. Jamie ends up killing his father(the mad king) unknowingly. Tyrion ends up killing his father(Tywin) knowingly.

    Tyrion is Tywin's true child, his curse from the Gods for wiping out those 2 houses in the Westerlands.
     
    Buff_Ruffnek likes this.
  14. RockHardJawn39

    RockHardJawn39 #FranklinOUT
    Donor
    Penn State Nittany LionsSan Francisco GiantsPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia FlyersLiverpoolWrexham AFC

    That's not the whole theory. Tywin's wife was in Kings landing with him when he was hand.
     
    DuckD likes this.
  15. Pawpride

    Pawpride Clemson

    Isn't that taking Barristan's quote out of context from book 5? I definitely need to read that quote and theory again.

    Honestly there is enough evidence that supports Jamie/Cersei is a Targ as much as Tyrion is a Targ. Just because Tyrion has 2 different eye colors does not mean that is an indicator he is a Targ. If anything the Tyrion theory is a red herring.

    I used to be believe in the Tyrion is a Targ theory, until multiple people on here pointed out the numerous flaws in that theory.
     
  16. RockHardJawn39

    RockHardJawn39 #FranklinOUT
    Donor
    Penn State Nittany LionsSan Francisco GiantsPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia FlyersLiverpoolWrexham AFC

    I'm not saying that Tyrion is a Targ is true, but I'm saying it was more than just the prima nocte
     
    jayhawkmpa likes this.
  17. vander02

    vander02 Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Arizona DiamondbacksPhoenix SunsArizona CardinalsArsenalArizona State Sun Devils alt

    Was she? Where's the evidence for that? She was back at the Rock when he was born and Tywin was still hand then
     
  18. 34

    34 just gonna send it
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsToronto Blue JaysToronto RaptorsOttawa SenatorsArsenal

    I just read AWOIAF and it wasn't clear IMO. One thing that struck me though was that Rhaegar and Aerys fell out of speaking terms somewhere between the birth of Rheagars first and second child. I doubt Dany's vision was something that actually happened.
     
  19. AIP

    AIP Team bush
    Donor
    Temple OwlsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia Flyers

    that's getting really out there
     
  20. OHW

    OHW Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersSan Francisco GiantsDemocrat

    Yeah, waaaay out there. FWIW, I think R'hllor and the Old Gods are real. The Seven are a crock of shit though.
     
    Hank Scorpio likes this.
  21. spartanchuck

    spartanchuck Well-Known Member

    I have liked a lot of his stuff, but this last segment is too tin foil for me. And that's saying something.
     
  22. lastsonofkrypton

    lastsonofkrypton Man of Steel, Kal-el, Clark Kent,
    Donor TMB OG
    New York YankeesBrooklyn NetsGreen Bay PackersNew Jersey Devils

    people are coming back from the dead, controlling wild animals, and seeing visions in the fire; kind of hard to deny that.
     
  23. Pharoh

    Pharoh king tuttchdown
    South Carolina GamecocksAtlanta BravesLos Angeles LakersTennessee Titans

    Any cliffs on those? Been meaning to watch just haven't gotten around to it yet. Think the last one I saw was mentioning the Children trying to end humanity, comparing with soome of his other sci fi novels.
     
  24. Voodoo

    Voodoo Fan of: Notre Dame
    Donor
    Notre Dame Fighting IrishTottenham HotspurSan Francisco Giants

    He makes some good points but they're overshadowed by some crazy logic he has to use to justify his theories.

    They're at least interesting and not at all a waste of 60+ minutes.
     
    spartanchuck likes this.
  25. AIP

    AIP Team bush
    Donor
    Temple OwlsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia Flyers

    I can buy his tower of joy theory, I can but the dornish master plan, the iron borne one was good but this one is so far out there it's crazy. But love to listen to him.

    Maybe he is right who knows...
     
  26. jayhawkmpa

    jayhawkmpa Well-Known Member

    I thought parts 1-6 were pretty good. Part 7 seemed to veer way off course from where he had been building from so it will be interesting to see the conclusions he says are coming in Part 8.
     
  27. UCFkc123

    UCFkc123 Best Supporting Poster
    Donor
    UCF KnightsKansas City ChiefsOrlando CityAntifa

    I too love prestons videos but this last one lost me. I mean, Beric Dondarion come back from the dead like 6 or 7 times
     
  28. OHW

    OHW Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersSan Francisco GiantsDemocrat

    Pharoh, DirtBall and Pawpride like this.
  29. coffee

    coffee Remember: Jedi is plural for Jedi
    Sporting Kansas CityKansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City Chiefs

  30. Pharoh

    Pharoh king tuttchdown
    South Carolina GamecocksAtlanta BravesLos Angeles LakersTennessee Titans

    Where are the outer lands? Is that just the area outside of the map?

    Can't wait for Dany's army of dragons & dinosaurs.
     
  31. Marv

    Marv Suck Brick Kid
    Donor
    Georgia BulldogsAtlanta BravesAtlanta UnitedTottenham Hotspur

    Sothyros
     
    CUZ28 likes this.
  32. Xander Crews

    Xander Crews Founding Member: Dangerous Nights Crew
    Donor
    UCF KnightsMiami DolphinsAvengersMiami HeatBig 12 Conference

    Jaenara Belaerys flew her dragon Terrax farther south than any person ever and found only jungle, deserts, and mountains. After three years she returned to the Freehold to report the continent was as large as Essos, a "land without end."
     
  33. Pharoh

    Pharoh king tuttchdown
    South Carolina GamecocksAtlanta BravesLos Angeles LakersTennessee Titans

    You'd have to believe GRRM would take us there at some point right?
     
  34. three stacks

    three stacks hasta la victoria siempre
    Staff Donor TMB OG
    Miami HurricanesBarcelonaMiami HeatAntifaAnarchy

    absolutely not
     
  35. coffee

    coffee Remember: Jedi is plural for Jedi
    Sporting Kansas CityKansas State WildcatsKansas City RoyalsKansas City Chiefs

    Didn't he say in an interview ASOIAF was never going there? Maybe not.
     
  36. spartanchuck

    spartanchuck Well-Known Member

     
    RockHardEnis39 and Pharoh like this.
  37. Lawnole23

    Lawnole23 FSU Seminoles 2020 National Champions
    Donor TMB OG
    Florida State SeminolesTampa Bay RaysTampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay Lightning

    I will be disappoint if an army of triceratops is not ridden in battle against the White Walkers.
     
    ChopRoll42 and Keef like this.
  38. Fuzzy Zoeller

    Fuzzy Zoeller College football > NFL
    Donor

    GRRM confirmed he's not writing TWOW and ADOS at the same time.
     
  39. Larry Sura

    Larry Sura Tuyuq. Fratzy
    Donor TMB OG
    Auburn TigersAtlanta HawksAtlanta FalconsUSA Rugby

    Because he's already done with TWOW...

    jk i'll go kill myself now
     
    Fancy and marcus like this.
  40. Crepeswithasmile

    Crepeswithasmile Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideLos Angeles LakersDallas CowboysSneakers

    but this was just posted in the other thread saying he is..?

    ANGRYGOTFAN live tweeting from a GRRM appearance:

    - he's writing both books right now

    - people dead on HBO show will still be alive come the end of his series
     
  41. Fuzzy Zoeller

    Fuzzy Zoeller College football > NFL
    Donor

    Third comment down: http://grrm.livejournal.com/440213.html#comments
     
    RapesWithaSmile likes this.
  42. Crepeswithasmile

    Crepeswithasmile Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideLos Angeles LakersDallas CowboysSneakers

    Fuzzy Zoeller likes this.
  43. OHW

    OHW Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersSan Francisco GiantsDemocrat

     
    AIP likes this.
  44. AIP

    AIP Team bush
    Donor
    Temple OwlsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia Flyers

    nope, don't buy it at all
     
    lastsonofkrypton, OHW and DelapThrows like this.
  45. DelapThrows

    DelapThrows Comforter, Philosopher, and Lifelong Mate
    Donor
    Florida State SeminolesAtlanta BravesDallas MavericksStoke City

    I want 2 hours of my life back.
     
    lastsonofkrypton and AIP like this.
  46. OHW

    OHW Well-Known Member
    Donor TMB OG
    Nebraska CornhuskersSan Francisco GiantsDemocrat

    As far as that theory goes, I buy some of it, but by and large, nah.
     
    UCFkc123 likes this.
  47. zeberdee

    zeberdee wheel snipe celly boys
    Donor TMB OG
    Penn State Nittany LionsPhiladelphia PhilliesPhiladelphia 76'ersPhiladelphia EaglesPhiladelphia FlyersArsenalPhiladelphia UnionUnited States Men's National Soccer Team

    he lost me at aliens and nuclear winter. I stopped listening at that point.

    the hive mentality and dream stuff is interesting though.