You say "nothing is wrong officer" you put out your fucking cigarette. I've been stopped enough times to know while maybe technically it should be the cop to attempt to defuse the situation it rarely ever is, it is up to the civilian. Is that fucked? Probably but that's just reality. I never give a cop a reason to act like a dick. If he acts like one then it because of him/her it won't have shit to do with my behavior. Cop was a dick. He was wrong. If she had my attitude about dealing with cops (you're not going to win) she'd never have gotten arrested and she might still be alive.
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apollo 25 @ayypollo 14h14 hours ago Miss Bland is most definitely dead in this mugshot. you can see the rigamortis in her shoulders, the left of her face Open and shut case Johnson
Leeanna❗️ @19nayt 3h3 hours ago I strongly believe that sandra bland was already dead in her mugshot. So many details prove it.
No doubt. But she is not legally obligated to act that way in this situation and the fact that she doesn't is what led the cop to turn it into a more serious legal matter (in which he tells her to exit her vehicle). While you're right about that being the reality of how you should deal with cops (and I'm sure most everyone on this board does), it doesn't mean it's legally permissible for a cop to expect that and punish someone for non-compliance with something that isn't against the law.
I'd imagine they take your mugshot before they allow you to make any calls. And evidently she made at least one call. These people...
To be fair there's nutjob conspiracy theories from all sides I don't believe it. At all. but at the same time I'm skeptical of everything the police has done in this situation
I'd also like to point out he places Bland under arrest before the supposed assault on the officer even occurs. Encinia: Yeah, we’re going to. (Grabs for Bland.) Bland: Don’t touch me! Encinia: Get out of the car! Bland: Don’t touch me. Don't touch me! I’m not under arrest -- you don't have the right to take me out of the car. Encinia: You are under arrest! Bland: I’m under arrest? For what? For what? For what? Encinia (to dispatch): 2547 county fm 1098 (inaudible) send me another unit. (To Bland) Get out of the car! Get out of the car now! Bland: Why am I being apprehended? You're trying to give me a ticket for failure ... Encinia: I said get out of the car! Bland: Why am I being apprehended? You just opened my -- Encinia: I‘m giving you a lawful order. I’m going to drag you out of here. Bland: So you’re threatening to drag me out of my own car?
eh, he was just planning on detaining her i think. that shit happens all the time. he just didnt word it correctly
Wording something incorrectly such as "you are under arrest" is not just a minor oopsy. That's what escalated the situation, hence her response of for what? Then his lack of responding to anything just makes matters worse. When a police officer says "you are under arrest" that is a loaded statement with meaning behind it, you don't just get a pass for mixing up those words.
you expect the general public to know the difference between being detained and arrested? if you slap cuffs on 99% of people theyre going to say they "were arrested". i dont think the wording impacts anything at all, because the same action and reaction were going to occur 5 seconds later
Yep. From the video it looks like he was just going to pull her out of the car. Once she resisted then he went for the arrest.
It's not for the officer to decide what the general public should or shouldn't know. He made a statement as an on duty police officer that has force and consequences behind it. He then refused to admit his mistake which led to the situation worsening. There is a huge difference between being detained and being arrested as well. One means you are going to be charged with a crime, the other means you are just being held for further questioning. You also can't say he gave a lawful command to get out of the car then say to disregard his statement seconds later about being under arrest. It just doesn't add up. Yes it was a lawful command to get out of the car, followed with a lawful command committed against protocol and the law that she was being arrested.
If she died by hanging or strangulation, that mugshot was obviously before her death (no bruising). And, the autopsy would confirm the cause of death pretty easily. There's a near zero chance that a corner would be "in on" some kind of police investigation, too. It's pretty absurd.
yeah, i dont know why you're arguing with me about all this shit. i was just saying what likely happened with the arrested/detained shit. either way he was planning on doing one of the two (most likely detaining with wrong wording) and at that point she cant resist that order. whether it was lawful or not wasn't what i was discussing. just the actions in themselves
He completely fucked up and should be punished to the full extent of the law. Still, being told that you're under arrest is not the time to plead your case. It doesn't justify his fuckup, but it certainly allowed the repercussions to be much more severe.
There was a case in Homewood (suburb of Birmingham) right after the Bland case where the inmate hanged herself with a sheet within an hour of her arrest. People are up in arms demanding an accounting/timeline of all of the police interactions, implying that the cops killed her. There have been a few small #blacklivesmatter protests, including one where six people were arrested for blocking a U.S. Highway. Well, it turns out they have video of her acting completely normally through intake and then hanging herself in the holding cell.
I understand it was a fuckup of wording. But his lack of informing her that it was a mix up led to her thinking she was under arrest not detained. A huge difference. People ITT have said she acted like a "bitch" what do you expect when an officer tells you wrongfully you are under arrest then doesn't let you know he was incorrect.
people are making a lot of assumptions about shit during this discussion, and my assumption is that she, like most people, would have reacted the same with the cuffs on her.
I disagree, she was a college educated, politically savvy individual who was well informed on police/citizen interactions. It's a whole lot different to tell someone you're being arrested then refuse to say what for and put them in cuffs rather than say you are being detained for failure to get out of the car. Also, I find it difficult to believe there was an assault on a peace officer. Yes, we cannot see what happens off camera but we do know she was not yelling MF this MF that like the arrest report stated. We never see any cuts on his hand or any leg injury. What we do know is he slammed her to the the ground and the beginning of the arrest report was false. To assume the rest is correct is misguided.
Umm, yes it absolutely does. People with college educations are in general more educated on their rights than people without a college education, didn't think that was some controversial comment.
College educated or not, if someone puts handcuffs on you, pretty much everyone thinks they're being arrested. I'm not endorsing him not taking the time to explain it, I just don't think it's as big of a slip of as you do. Does saying 'you're under arrest' as opposed to 'you're being detained' give you a license to act differently?
Most people know the difference between being arrested and detained, they are two different words meaning very different things. Particularly the college educated one's. I'll restate it. One means you are being taken back to the station and being charged with a crime. The other means you are being held for further questioning. People tend to act differently when they know they are being charged with a crime, especially when the violation originally committed is a lane violation. And, once again, it isn't for the officer to decide what the person does or doesn't know.
Cop gets behind a woman. She switches lanes to allow him to pass. She fails to signal so he pulls her over. He gets her info runs it and comes back to issue a warning. He asks her what's wrong. She says I moved over so you can pass and you pulled me over. He asks her to put out her cigarette. She says no I am in my car why should I. He says well now you are getting out the car. She refuses. He says get out or I am going to yank you out. She asks why he says get out or I am going to light you up (tasser). They go back and forth she screams he screams. He says you are under arrest. She asks why. He never says why. They continue to be asses to each other. Questions Does he have the right to make her put out her cigarette. When she refuses can he then make her get out of the car. When she refuses can he then say you're under arrest and when asked why can he refuse (not answer).
Plenty of college educated people act like complete fucking idiots. Hell just look at this board. She also claimed she suffered from a little bit of PTSD. No idea what from but if she truly did I could see her flipping out over something most people wouldn't have. Team cop was an asshole and went over the line. But anyone thinking the cops killed her and have since staged some massive cover up including mug shots while she was dead and the corner is an idiot.
Yes, and there are smart people without college degrees. I purposefully made sure my comment was not an absolute. I'll wait and see the autopsy report and investigation before I make claims on her death. What I can see is the way she was detained and arrested was wildly mishandled.