Bad Police Thread - where calling the police is a gamble

A ton. Still happening too much. And that doesn't even account for the impossible to estimate number of shitty police interactions that don't get recorded

 

OK, well you can go ahead and continue to make assumptions, and I will wait until the whole story comes out before I make my remarks.

 

Per the description of the video, the kid walked off the bus and the officer told him to stop because he was jaywalking. Kid kept walking

 

And who wrote the description of the video?

 

Presumably the person who posted it but I can't be completely positive. Typically that is how youtube works though

 

You realize I have made zero assumptions, right? The only assumption made here was by you.

 

Oh, so since the person could upload a video, we should take their word, right?

 

What assumption did I make?

 

Well they were there. I mean they might not know all the details or they might be lying. If that turns out to be the case then my opinion on this would probably change. But for now I'm just operating off of the information available to me.

 

dblplay1212 knows how simple I am

 

This guy was "there" too

 

P.S. turn on the CC button and watch that video

 

You assume there was more to the story than what we actually saw.

 

Still too complicated for me.

 

watson good god get it together man

 

Yep. You're right. I made that assumption on the fact that the video starts well after the incident started.

 

The assumption you made was that it would have shown the kid deserved it. You created a hypothetical for you to excuse the cop's actions. I'm only commenting on what I actually saw. If something comes out later to suggest the cop's actions were warranted, my opinion will change. From what I saw, the abuse was not needed.

 

Like I said, I really like watching punks get the shit kicked out of them, so naturally I'll tend toward the cop's side.

 

You have no idea if this kid was a punk or not. Again, another assumption on your part. He could have been an engineering nerd that built a clock and the cop freaked out and arrested him for it.

 

OK Good, I'm glad we all realize how stupid it is to assume now.

 

#progress

 

still not seeing why you guys are trying to argue he's not an annoying look at me type.

 

When you get into a semantics argument with Steve no one wins.

 

I've done it a few too many times.

 

I see both sides of this. Far too often stupid cops make the situation much worse than it has to be. But, far too often stupid criminals make the situation much worse than it has to be.

The cop in the jaywalking video seems to be doing exactly what I talked about before - physically hurting someone while telling them not to resist. It's almost like they teach it in cop school. Just sit there and let me grind my baton into your shins!!!

But I also see this scenario play out very often on these videos - someone breaks the law, then regrets breaking the law because they realizes their actions now have an immediate consequence that they would rather avoid. Their focus then becomes 100% - I don't want this bad consequence to happen. Jaywalking is not murder, but it's illegal, and if this kid jaywalked and the cop wants to reprimand him for it, that's all by the book. The kid sitting there, not complying, not getting up, fighting back when the cop tries to restrain him or take him into the school or whatever he was going to do, is going to escalate the situation.

actions have consequences, kids. No matter how much you don't want those consequences to happen, they are inevitable. I know that kid didn't want to get a ticket, or have his parents called, or go to jail or whatever they were going to do. I get that. but you can't just say - ok, my bad, I take back my jaywalking, can you leave me alone now? Sorry, that's not how it works. Pay the piper and don't jaywalk next time.

So what's the cop supposed to do? Should there be a policy that if the "criminal' does not want to comply that they just leave him alone? I agree that he handled the situation poorly, but at some point if the guy s never going to physically comply, you simply have to force him to comply. And that is never going to look good.

 

They forced him to comply at the end and nobody has an issue with that. They took him down and cuffed him. No issue. It's the grinding his baton into his shins and then swinging at his head with the baton bc the kid tries to stop him from doing so that is the issue. If his objective was to arrest the kid, I don't see how grinding his baton into the kid's legs helps him accomplish that. The fact is it doesn't. It was simply abuse for not complying with orders. We see this mentality in trashy parents that beat their kids with anything close to them (switch, shoe, electrical cord, etc) bc the kid had the nerve to disobey them. It's no more appropriate for cops than it is for those parents.

 

by the way, I'll also say that grabbing someone's arms putting them behind their back and slamming them face first to the ground has to fucking stop. There has to be a better way to physically restrain someone. Haven't people been permanently injured or killed from cops doing that?

 

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...und-for-alleged-trespassing-resisting-arrest/

Dude was ignoring police, then grabbed for the baton and wouldn't let go. Cop threw the punch for weapon retention purposes.
Unfortunately there's no other way to deal with this than to rough him up. Glad the cop did what he did. Hopefully dude thinks twice before breaking the law and ignoring a cop again.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you on that point. It was a terrible way to handle it.

 

The kid wouldn't let go of the baton. that's why he did that. What was he supposed to do, let the kid hold the baton until back-up arrives? Get real.

 

Parent's should be held accountable as well.

 

He only grabbed the baton bc the officer was grinding it into his legs. Yelling "stop resisting!" as he's burying the baton into the kid is ridiculous.

And yes, there is another way. There's a great example of it at the end of the video. Unfortunately this cop handled it poorly before finally getting it right.

 

What the fuck are you talking about? The dude has the baton in his hands the entire time and wont let go. Until the cop starts throwing punches, then he's finally able to yank it out of his hands.
This kind of shit can be prevented by listening to police officers giving lawful orders, as well as not grabbing for police officers' weapons.

 

If the cop had never buried the baton in the kid's legs, the kid would have never touched the baton. The kid was not trying to take the baton. He was protecting himself from being abused. You're insane if you blame the kid for protecting himself from being beaten, cop or not.

 

This is a terrible post on many levels.

 

The kid has his hands on the baton trying to push the cop off of him bc the cop is wrecking his legs. Sorry, I don't expect an individual to just sit still and take abuse from a cop. Apparently you do. Knowing that, we're going in circles.

 

At what point in the video does the dude not have his hands on the cops baton?
I mean, I know you're just trolling at this point, but the kid clearly won't let go of the baton until the cop hits him with it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. You're not allowed to fight cops or grab their weapons.

Hopefully the dude learns from this.

 

Also lol @ the dude crying like a little bitch at the end. 2 minutes before that I bet he thought he was a real thug.

 

How?
Parents should have taught the dude to respect authority. Am I wrong?

 

At what point in the video does the cop not have his baton on the kid? The kid was protecting himself. Nothing more.

And you're saying a citizen can never defend themselves from a cop? Like Rodney King wasn't warranted in trying to protect himself? Cops can just do whatever they want to a citizen and the citizen just has to deal with it?

I don't wish this upon you, but I wouldn't mind seeing your reaction to an overzealous cop beating on you for what he perceived as a sign of disrespect. I tend to think you wouldn't just lay there and be a punching bag until he was done with you.

 

1) using an apostrophe to make a word plural.
2) suggesting or implying that a child's parents should be held criminally accountable for the independent actions of their child. There is absolutely zero evidence that his parents had a single thing to do with this situation.

 

Where did I say "criminally accountable"?

 

Respecting authority and laying down for unwarranted abuse bc someone carried a badge are two different things.

 

I suppose this is where I say:"where did I say you said 'criminally accountable'?"

 

It won't happen, dbl. Because I know how to act around cops.
You do too, I'm sure.
Dude in the video didn't.


I'm completely fine with what the cops in this video did. Nothing will happen to them. They acted within policy.
Hopefully crybaby learned a lesson.

 

Unwarranted? He grabbed the cops baton.
Sorry. You grab a cops weapon, you're going to get fucked up.
Deal with it

 

You're not very good at this reading comprehension thing, are you?
Not surprising.

 

You have no idea how the kid acted before the video started. All you or I saw was the kid protecting himself from being beaten.