Neil Lennon says his team is willing to drop down (jump up ) to League One and fight its way up to the Premier League. There doesn't seem to be too much rejection for that idea. Would certainly be a fun experiment to watch. What do you guys think?
Read that then laughed. Honestly think he's just trying to troll Rangers, given their current plight.
We have discussed that before. I think that it would be the fairest way for them to join the English system but at the same time it would completely destroy the SPL. However, imagine Celtic and Rangers with EPL type money and their support. That would be pretty cool. Wont happen though.
If the Scottish economy relies so heavily on the old firm, I would think it would make more financial sense to give it a shot. They could be vastly more profitable in the English system. And players wouldn't look at them as a step down.
Would love for them both to join. With Rangers on the verge of collapse, I wouldn't blame them for not caring too much about supporting the SPL.
They have no incentive to stay in the SPL. The other teams don't pull their weight or provide them very good competition. They make what, 90-95% of the revenues in the SPL? If they jump to League One, that money is still funneling into the Scottish economy. Plus I'd imagine they'd get a hell of a better TV deal upon reaching the Prem. I'd be thoroughly entertained. I'd love Scottish or Irish teams to be relevant for once. Hell, Shamrock should consider it too.
Why? Because that'd be 2 less communities in England receiving those revenues? Let's not forget that Swansea and Cardiff aren't actually in England.
Because they would be two tops teams in England in a few seasons. Don't see any positives for the current clubs.
I think the EPL would be able to broker even larger foreign TV deals thanks to Celtic alone. Celtic is probably the most popular 2nd favorite team of fans around the world. But from a competition standpoint, there would be resistance by the big EPL clubs.
Who the fuck knows. Maybe they'd give England a 5th spot and just take away Scotland/Ireland's or something like that. Or I could argue that Celtic/Rangers wouldn't be THAT good for some time. They'd be in a dog fight to survive their first season in the Prem, I would think.
Not really. The Top 4 can be changed with just one takeover (see Manchester City). Overall I don't see two clubs who would a boat load of revenue overriding that. Celtic within a few years would be one of the top 5 or 6 clubs in Europe. Obviously it would benefit Rangers too but particularly Celtic. Probably never going to happen though and that's due to the House of Cards way that football has been organised in the UK and Ireland for the past century and nobody willing to fuck with it.
Nobody loses a spot. Every league winner can qualify for the Champions League around Europe. What would happen is that the SPL's UEFA co-effecient would plummet and it would be a lot more difficult for a club from there to qualify. (no byes through qualification rounds/not being seeded ect. That would be the least of the SPL's worries though tbf.
Well fuck it. Do it anyway. It's League One. No one really has a reason to complain here other than the SPL. That league would go belly up without the Old Firm. The big clubs have no room to complain or they're just being huge vaginas about competition. It's not like the Prem would have more than 20 teams all of a sudden. The talent level might just be a bit better and a couple of mid table sides might eventually find themselves in a scrap for survival.
we'd win League One, no problem. I'd imagine we'd be competitive to win the Championship too, though I am not sure if we have the depth to do well in all the tournaments and a full English season right away. in a few seasons, with TV money, it'd be possible for us to be a decent club in the EPL. regardless, Neil is ridiculous. he has the internal filter of a 4 year old with Tourette's and basically lives to fuck with Rangers. too bad he can't get us to win the Scottish fucking treble... don't think it happens either. we already have as large of a gate as most of the big clubs and our worldwide following is pretty impressive; don't see any of the EPL clubs wanting to have to deal with that. plus, you take Celtic &/or Rangers out of the SPL and the gates/TV money that opposing teams have currently basically becomes non-existent. Celtic and Rangers away helps a lot of the bottom teams in the SPL stay afloat; it'd quickly turn into an equivalent of Irish football if either/both left.
You're such an idiot. The fact the top four can change so easily doesn't encourage teams like Liverpool and arsenal to add more competition for those top four spots.
Sorry what now? My general point was that the top 4 can change at any moment (ie a takeover) and that the huge revenue that the Old Firm would bring in would outweigh any of that. Calm down there, this is just a discussion.
If that were the case they would have added the old firm years ago. The fact is for someone who types so many words you have no idea what you are talking about on any subject.
The reasons this probably won't happen are nothing to do with revenue. There are major issues with jeopardising the integrity of each of the National Associations of the UK. That's why Team GB for this year at the Olympics has been such a mindfuck.
Says I don't know what I'm talking about and has written this. Listen I'll give you the chance to do some googling into this. This isn't as simple as expanding into new markets like North American Franchises. I don't feel like owning you for a second time in a week like I did with the Champions League/European Cup discussion.
Watson is watsoning hard. Typical comebacks - instead of actually rebutting, go with an insult CHECK - go after your fanhood CHECK Oh, and Watson. I was a FCBM fan before I ever watched an EPL game. I proudly support Wolves because I enjoy their grittiness. You have fun with your gay little cult and keep pretending only 1 person supports more than 1 team. Personal attack incoming in 3...2...
Here educate me then. Tell me what you know about this issue apart from CL qualification. You do know about the House of Cards that is the Home Nations' Football Associations? You know how FIFA would just love to get rid of them and just have one UK team? You know how they're all shit scared of losing their vote at the International Football Association Board? You know that any deviation from traditions gives FIFA and UEFA just that chance. You know the issues surrounding Cardiff's eligibility for the Europe if they had won the 2008 FA Cup? Of course you don't. Just like the CL/EC discussion where cold hearted facts and Carlo Ancellotti back me up.
What was meant to be a lively discussion on the Old Firm's merits degenerated into your idiotic bullshit, just like in every other thread I've started on the SB. Instead of you sitting there telling someone they don't know anything, try bringing something constructive to the discussion because you sure as shit sound like you don't know dick about what you're talking about. I'll hang up and listen, but it's a wonder no one kills themself after consulting with you about their unemployment. Your probably just the edge someone needs to go postal that day.
Can't see it. EPL is already basking in TV money and sure the next deal will be even more ridiculous. If Rangers can get out of this hole and it will take a while, it would likely create 2 more constants in the EPL. The goal of the majority of the clubs in England is to make it the premiership so they can get that TV money and exposure and Celtics/Rangers joining would hurt all their chances. The smaller EPL clubs are suffering financially but that is because of gate/marketing revenue and the wages of players to compete, certainly not because of TV money. Would also kill the SPL as has been stated many times. I do think it would be pretty cool if Scottish teams could join the FA/league cup. Would make the competition much more prestigious than the current state and big clubs might start caring a little more about em.
The fact you're so defensive proves my point. We both know I'm right whether or not you openly admit it.
You're a simpleton. You're trying to argue from the side of the Scottish FA and ministers who want independence and applying that to the thought process of Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham, Newcastle, Manchester City and Chelsea. Those clubs may use that position to further their agenda but at the end of the day none of those clubs want added competition even if it means additional revenue.
I'm ignorant by pointing out the fact those owners have clubs to run and can't just jump ship because Celtic and rangers would be better for casual fans?
lol what? You quite clearly don't have a breeze what you are talking about. Take a poll of Scots pro and anti independence on whether they want to preserve their own teams for soccer, rugby and the likes. The results would be virtually the same. You know there a FA factor here too. Like they won't have a say. Anything that jeopardised these associations independence would be opposed by every single Home Nation FA. Celtic, Rangers and any Scottish club who join wouldn't qualify for European competition even if the won the Premier League. That is the current situation. UEFA may step in in that case but that's a simple fact at the moment. Read about Cardiff in 2008.
You're such a fucking loser. You try to bring up personal shit into a conversation because you can't form a logical argument. First I don't even work in unemployment, I work in economic development. So it would be impossible for me to give anyone any advice about their unemployment. Secondly, if you want to get personal your overweight ass has already been made public so you should have stopped while you were ahead. You're so pathetic even people who know you in real life didn't want to play a video game with you. Also we all know you're such a pussy you won't even attempt to talk to fat girls at a bar. Have fun pretending to be knowledgeable about a sport you've never played nor do you know anything about it.
Remind me which country AS Monaco is in? There is a precedent set for the Scottish clubs to gain the right to represent the English slots. You honestly believe Celtic and rangers would join with no hope of ever playing in Europe again?
Nope, and as I said that is one of the reasons this probably won't happen. UEFA could step in as I said but this is no foregone conclusion. Monaco is a principality and not a member nation of FIFA/UEFA. Next.
Should have to start from the bottom like Wimbledon. And all of the SPL teams should be invited, not just Celtic.
Yes you are wrong. Monaco are not a member of UEFA. The Welsh FA and Scottish FAs are. Monaco doesn't have an equivalent league, Monaco don't compete in International competition. The FA said they would review their policy but at the time said they would not nominate Cardiff City for European Competition. Do the FFA say the same thing with Monaco. No they do not quite clearly as you said. That isn't precedent equivalent.
No I don't and you are just confirming my reasons why I said this wouldn't ultimately happen if conditions remain as they are.
So it is a nonstarter. How does it confirm your reasons? Do you believe the top clubs would welcome the old firm with open arms if they could qualify for those European spots?
You and I both know you got personal first and that's what you claim I'm being defensive about. Don't put words in my mouth. Alright, so you've got a new job. Congratufuckinglations. I was told you were one of those Up in the Air type people that went around laying people off. Shoot me a PM and you can have my FB link, shithead. When and where was I called out on being overweight? I'm 5'9", never been over 165 pounds (160 right now) and was 9 percent body fat last time I sat in the bod pod. I work out 6 times a week, you dense mother fucker. I'd love to know who you're mistaking me for. And yea, you're right. I don't go up to fat bitches because I have a fine ass Cuban girlfriend. Again, feel free to oggle my FB. I have seen your FB before, Ryan, and you are one weird looking mother fucker. I'll just wait for @tne to ironically take your side here, if that's what you're referring to. Do something more useful with your time than bitching about a video game cause I couldn't care less who does or doesn't want to play with me, you pathetic waste of life.
I said it was a nonstarter all along. That confirms my reasons. I'm the 'idiot' here. Would they welcome them? Hmm, again it's a non starter really. Parachuting any team into a division in England that's not the bottom level would surely provoke a ferocious response. As I said if it happened the extra revenue would be real nice. Dave Whelan, Chairman of Wigan says it's the lower clubs who would have a problem with it and I'd be more inclined to agree. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2043036/Dave-Whelan-says-Rangers-joining-Premier-League.html#ixzz1pWw9cAsI If you took the political elements that I said out the extra revenue would make it a no brainer for everyone. These guys are businessmen ultimately. UEFA's idiotic rules on national leagues and rest put paid to it though imo.
Now please feel free to discuss Old Firm and quit obsessing over me. If I wanted a look at me thread, I'd start posting under your handle.