I mean he has a .705 winning percentage. Would be tough to argue that he's not the 4th or 5th best coach ND has had in the last 60 years (until Leahy). This season is a dumpster fire so I get the frustration. It is what it is. Nothing this season would change my opinion that Kelly deserves one more season.
Give Kelly one more shot, and if 2017 doesn't go well Lane Kiffin should have enough seasoning under Saban to be ready to run the show.
You ought to just roll over and join the ACC. Everyone wants to win a natty, but everyone else has something else to play for. Rotate home-and-homes with USC, Michigan and whatever other traditional rivals you want to hang on to (Stanford?)so you have one of those games each year and play one service academy each year. Your life will be better.
Michigan isn't a rival. i'm team stop playing Navy, the debt has been paid. i think the ACC is staying at 8 conference games so it's viable. Wouldn't be surprised if in five years we are a full-fledged member.
you haven't really earned anything at ND until you deliver a national championship. i might be able to get on board with giving him an extra year based on his couple good seasons, but his PR disasters mitigate that sentiment for me.
I love when other fans claim that joining a conference will somehow help the one issue were having, which is coaching. Joining a conference won't solve literally anything.
I think joining a conference makes it easier to win a Natty and/or get to the playoff. I also think joining a conference makes ND less special/unique.....which I believe to be more important.
Where did I say anything about coaching? I referred very specifically to having secondary goals. As it stands, your season is over as soon as you lose a game.
The B1G has nothing to offer you. You have nothing to offer the B1G. That ship sailed long ago. The ACC is your only logical landing place.
Your position is that the B1G would pass on taking Notre Dame, if possible? (it's not possible due to our agreement with the ACC)
We shouldn't need to have another trophy to play for simply so the team doesn't tank after 1 loss. That's a leadership issue. Not a conference issue.
With the addition of Rutgers, we already have the New York TV sets. That's really all anybody is worth these days.
He's the best coach in Big 12 history, has won 9 conference championships in the 16 years he has been at Oklahoma, was in the playoff just last year but since OU tends to lose at least 2 a year these days the natives would rather him go. I'm of the opinion he just needs to fire his brother and hire a good DC and Oklahoma would be ready to go on a serious run. I guess I could see Bob being upset with how under appreciated he is by OU fans and making a move, only issue is he's got kids in high school and I just don't think he's going to go anywhere until they graduate. If ND is looking for a new coach in 2 or 3 years i'd be he'd be open to it. As it is right now, with the way they're recruiting, Oklahoma is a better job. I bet he stays for at least a few more years.
We're already unwieldy at 14. I would only expand if it offered strategic gains, like Texas or North Carolina. You also don't really fit the mold of large research schools. Sorry. Don't get me wrong....I'd swap at least half the current members for you in a heartbeat. But the way the conference is configured now makes you a tough add. Go ahead and have your feelings hurt though.
I found this interesting and quite relevant: https://www.18stripes.com/lets-not-re-write-history-brian-kelly-charlie-weis-notre-dame-football/
His winning % was at .705 before the season, it is currently at .670. If you take out the one miracle season where everything went right for us his winning % is .625. I am not going to say Brian Kelly is a bad coach, I think he has done a lot of good things for ND and he is light years ahead of where we were under Charlie Weis. However, he has made some really poor decisions that just continue to happen and some of these decisions are just inexcusable. He also just has this inability to admit to mistakes, you see it with some of his gameplans that he refuses to abandon or with staff decisions.
The most frustrating thing about the Kelly era is that any level of success is met with rumors he's flirting with the NFL. So really the best we could hope for would be to hover above mediocrity and hope for one miracle season.
So we're ok with taking out the season where "everything went right" but we still include this season where conceivably everything has gone wrong?
And last year where a healthy team very well could have made the playoff? Eliminating seasons makes no sense.
Since the B1G is posting in numbers, I'll post my thoughts. I have a strong dislike for ND mainly because we recruit a lot of the same kids and you have gotten many of them. Kelly seems like a 9-3 coach with a variance of 3 games a year. 2012 was a year everything went your way on the way to the MNC game. This year, nothing is breaking your way and you sit at 2-5. The question I would ask if I was a Nd fan is "what does Kelly bring to the table next year?" IMO, his coaching decisions and general arrogance would lean me to have him on the hot seat next year like Les Miles. I don't know if you can fire a guy who took you to a New Year's 6 bowl last year. You can definitely turn the pressure up through the offseason and see how Kelly responds
This is all true. There's a little more going on than "everything breaking the wrong way", although it certainly is. Kelly is compounding it by being a huge cunt and making some terrible moves. That said, he's not going anywhere if only for economic reasons, as many have pointed out. And he'll have a much better season in 2017.
Last year is a good cross section of what you get with Kelly. Starting QB goes out in game 2 with seemingly no competent backup? ---> Quickly turn your backup into a legitimate pro prospect and salvage that position for the rest of the season and moving into the future. Have everything figured out by midway through the season? ---> Team plays uninspired football much of the second half of the season and we lose against a Stanford team that we were clearly better than in one of the more important matchups of his coaching tenure. It's like, when you feel like you have every reason to doubt his competence, he strings together a series of games where you're legitimately impressed. But, right when you start feeling comfortable that he is fully competent, shit hits the fan and we play something far from our best football. This year is just a clusterfuck.
i don't think it's a coincidence that the offense started to suck as soon as BK spent most of his time with the defense...i think he's going to go to back to the offense during the Bye and get things right there and pray that Elston/Elliott/Hudson know what to do with the defense here's an interesting post from a mod at ISD: Spoiler Couple of Things Just wanted to get this out to you guys. I had a chance to catch up with a source this afternoon to simply get a feel of where the program is and to judge how bad the situation is right now. There were some positives despite the 2-5 record. 1. The locker room is good. The team believes that Coach Kelly is the right man for the job and the staff is in place can turn it around. While it's easy to say and the reality is that you can almost always upgrade your coaching staff, the players believing in the staff is just as important. This team hasn't given up on the staff, so they aren't going to give up on themselves. That says a lot sitting at 2-5 at a school like Notre Dame. 2. Mike Elston is taking charge of the defense and impressing people around the program, including those who might not have been in the "Mike Elston boat" to start. "Elston is really the DC and coming from a "source" who really doesn't like Elston, he is kicking butt. I'm not saying they're gonna hire him as full-time DC, but that is essentially his role now and look at defense." 3. "Team is confident they can turn it around." This simply goes back to the first point, but Notre Dame isn't losing games by 40 points, as Kelly said earlier today. It's by a touchdown or less. The team knows they have to make plays to win games. While coaching could definitely get better, you simply have to make a play at some point to win the game. i hadn't realized that Elston seems to really be the one running the show until i saw this post