I think everybody's a host. And this park is comprised of the offspring of Andrew McCarthy and Kim Catrall from Mannequin.
So I just watched the video. I have seen reference to the logo before, but I thought it was a single instance. I think that is pretty strong evidence. Definitely not a mistake. The cans as well. Only other explanation I can think of is parallel worlds and that is just too tinfoily.
wolfpck thanks for the bald move pod suggestion. Really like it, enhances my enjoyment of the show laughed my ass off @ the discussion about all the huge dongs in the show is the male equivalent of hot models giving chicks body image issues
none of the people remember guests once the narrative is reset. just like they don't remember one another unless their narrative has a backstory with that host.
Exactly. Not many would know that better than MIB. Unless he's recognized Delores as an outlier. Why else would he ask if she remembered him? A guy that's been coming to the park for 30 years would know the answer to that question.
didn't he ask lawrence the same thing when he rescued him from hanging right before telling him that they are good friends? feel like that's just who he is. says the opposite to Hector or whatever the guys name he rescued from jail that they've never met.
if MiB turns out to be William I can't wait for what the experience is that makes him go from being McLuvin to being Satan Wyatt Earp. no way they could get away with that simply by him having to kill dolores or something...
If the MIB is William then he met and got deeply involved with both Dolores and Lawrence on his very first trip so while he does understand they aren't supposed to remember him he still says something about it. And while I'm not a member of team multiple time periods I do think William turning out to be the MIB would be great with everything we've seen except for the one thing I keep getting hung up on - the hosts. They will need a logical explanation as to why the hosts in the William/Logan scenes are just as lifelike as the ones in the MIB scenes if Bill is an example of what the hosts were like in the early days of the park. At least one of the Union soldiers he shot during their nitro heist was unarmed and not even doing anything.
when you word it that way instead of him having a practically involuntary reaction to a situation and shooting someone who was about to kill someone he was with.......... let's be honest him shooting those 3 guys in union gear was as "Erkle oops did I do that" as you can fucking get
why is that not motivation, especially if it is really fucked up and people die? Keep in mind when he first killed the hosts it was because they were about to shoot Dolores.
can't take that serious. he got put in an extreme situation in a split second and did something that completely went against what he was about... he was very adamant about no violence in the theft. simply putting it as "well he's been shooting down unarmed men" without the context is really dumb... he's killed 4 people. 2 of them were females, seconds away from being shot in the face. 1 was strangling his (at the time) friend to death. the 4th he obviously saw as an immediate threat in the heat of the moment, which he was
Don't be fooled by Bill. He does not pass the Turing test and was likely one of the first prototypes in the first year. Ford says they started passing the Turing test after year 1. That is still 2 years prior to the park opening. A lot would have taken place during that timeframe. Being mechanical does not mean they don't look real. It's just how they are built. Maybe we actually see some of the mechanics at a point.
and yet when Logan got grabbed (extreme situation) he didn't react and do the same. It was about Dolores.
Motivation? I mean this is purely an individual mindset about the show and what could/should cause such a drastic change in a person's being... I don't think him having to kill dolores, regardless of the situation would justify in my mind the transformation from McLuvin to Satan. would be akin to the walter white transformation from episode 1 to the finale of breaking bad. LOTS of fucked up shit happened to get him there
What about him grabbing Logan by the neck and slamming him against the wall? Is there a pattern forming?
I would agree that it is the show runners job to clearly show us how and why he changes. I assume they will do that if they want to pull it off.
You're proving my point for me.... the first time he shot someone strangling logan was in the heat of the moment, adrenaline, etc etc the second time he wasn't in that state of mind and made a conscious decision for non violence FYI the first guy he shot in the town wasn't holding dolores hostage. it was just a random girl and again it was just in the heat of the moment and he was shocked that he did it
I guess there's a pattern of him getting fed up with Logan talking shit to him/dolores 24/7 since they got to the park.... again IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT he slams him up against the wall. Then he snaps out of it and back into Pussy Erkle. huge huge difference in someone pressing the right button on a little beta nerd and being a truly evil individual. all i'm saying
I'm making your point for you? So William isn't showing signs of transition? Explain away all you want, but I feel you're ignoring things you don't care to acknowledge. Just my opinion of course.
You're post confused me but I think it's just worded poorly. Sounded like you were saying he killed 4 ppl two of which were female. But i guess you mean two females were in danger and William killed male hosts to save them.
Truly evil individual? I don't get that at all. This is a game and without consequences to a great extent. That's like calling me evil for killing hookers on GTA. Nothing evil about MIB imo.
If anyone is the mib, it's Logan. He's the one that's been seeking adventure since the beginning. William ends up dead. Simple misdirection.
Did you watch the movie? I know this series isn't exactly the same but that's not how the movie went.
Yeah, but Logan is an enormous pussy feigning confidence and bravado. I think that's less likely to be the case. But could be a wild ride if true.
I quoted NYGator in the proving my point post.... not you And it doesn't take me ignoring anything to say that William isn't transitioning. I've addressed everything you said, not ignored it. It's just a simple stance of I think he's doing what any normal human would do in the extreme circumstances he was put in... Hell you could say there's a lack of transition since back in Sweetwater he shot a guy to save someone and for no other reason at all. same thing he did last episode and it certainly doesn't take ignoring anything to NOT SEE him pushing Logan up against the wall as any kind of transition. Logan was tearing him a new asshole. monumentally bigger than any of the half-way playful insults he's been doing since they arrived. Logan is the one transitioning to a crazy motherfucker.
So am I... when he left Logan behind it was faaaaaar from being an extreme situation like you stated. The first time he saved Logans life he (william) was in an extreme. Guys were trying to kill all of them. When he left Logan behind he was thinking very clearly and had time to assess the situation edit: summary: his only acts of violence thusfar have been in the heat of the moment, where people don't have time to think rationally and act out of instinct. I don't see that as indicative of a "transformation" to being a cold and calculated Villain. he's been more of a good samaritan
Spoiler in the movie the experienced, asshole friend gets killed by a crazy host, not the innocent new guy.
Spoiler also in the movie the MIB is a host gone crazy. So the series isn't following the movie very closely. Besides the general theme/plot.
I just read Dolores's Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Rachel_Wood Apparently she has a black belt in taekwondo irl
Again, without knowing how they do it at this point I can't really comment on what hasn't happened not being enough to convince you. That said, since DAY 1 of meeting William haven't we basically watched a character who was brought there with the intent of being changed by Logan, and isn't it clear that William will definitely have a life changing experience? On top of that doesn't most good storytelling present characters who do change as a result of their experiences? I wouldn't assume that the entire transformation occurs immediately. I suspect that if they end this season with that as a big reveal, we will see some change in his character, but he has a full 30 years worth of experiences remaining to become the MiB that we see today. Perhaps that is what the storytelling focuses on going forward post revelation.
This conversation literally started with me saying I can't wait to see what happens to make him change into MiB if that's the end game. I also simply stated that a falling out where he had to kill dolores for whatever reason wouldn't do it for me. yes Logan HOPES William will find his true self in the park, as does Ford for all his guests. And I do see a change in William in his experiences already. he went from barely being able to see over the pocket protector in his shirt to look Clementine in the eyes when she was trying to fuck him, to probably being willing to eat Dolores's booty if she asked. And I think I've done an adequate job explaining why him shooting a few people in the heat of the moment isn't evidence of change into an evil villain. Good Samaritan. I doubt i'm alone in the minority in that line of thinking.
This thread itself has multiple timelines. TLAU-NYGator-Guy on a Buffalo exist in a time where they endlessly discuss their theories. Me and a couple others favor more of the driveby/quick observation post. Could be other timelines at play here; currently having the boys at Reddit take a look at this thread to see what they can come up with. Charts and videos incoming
eh the only theory really discussed is MiB=William. each episode they give stuff that could be looked at as proving either sides's point. sooner or later it's presumably gonna give us the answer there. Then we can go back to discussing the Stubbsobot and Bernardobot theories as well as my favorite: Dolores is a robot with bernard's son's brain implanted