Stop avoiding the question. The city of Houston and NOLA were flooded. Should all homes affected be forced to be rebuilt on stilts?
It's not wrong to cite that but I'm just saying it's probably wise to assume that's the floor, not the expectation.
I’d much prefer dedicating funds to taking back flood zones via eminent domain. Your effectively buying flood compensation and saving a lot of FEMA dollars. Pays for itself.
I'm not sure how you can make it work but it wouldn't be a bad deal if a lot of the land could be bought and turned into public land.
It could be done. Unfortunately, most of those areas are low income. In JAX, many are minority owned. You end up tearing apart friends and families
There's an assumed risk in most cities in this country - whether it be water, fire, or something like an earthquake. What's the solution, everyone move to Idaho? Obviously LA, NYC, San Fran, etc. are too dangerous and the crown government should save us.
your mistake in logic is thinking that only a once in 100 year storm could take down the homes in the pan handle.
Pensacola came though Opal and Dennis ok. Gulf Shores, outside of directly on the water, came through Ivan in decent shape. Again, I'm not focusing on the beach front properties. Those are going to either 1) cost a fortune to upgrade or 2) get trashed. There's not much in between. The house that started all of this cost DOUBLE per sq foot. I'm focusing more on the really cheap houses around there where the land is worth 10x the house. This house in $130k bc of the land. https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...91,-85.385678,29.92524,-85.431812_rect/14_zm/ $229k bc of the land. https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...91,-85.385678,29.92524,-85.431812_rect/14_zm/ $135k https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...1,-85.385849,29.921669,-85.431983_rect/14_zm/ Go here and play on your own. We're not talking about super nice houses once you cross 98. https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...91,-85.385678,29.92524,-85.431812_rect/14_zm/ Their entire family wealth is in their land and you want to force them off of it by making homes too expensive for them to live on their land. These families have been here for 100 years. If they want to rebuild a shit box to stay on their land, I don't think we should stop them
cool, just be aware that insurance companies aren't going to feel the same way. They insured that shit box once, they aren't going to do it again.
That "shit box" is their home. May not be much to you, but their family land is mighty important to them.
And I posted those pics for reference. Everyone gets caught up in the middle dollar houses on the water or they look at Zillow and see the average home value is like $250k or whatever. But if you haven't been there, you don't realize the houses that sit on the land are often not exactly what you'd think. It's not a group of people that can easily absorb the increase in living costs. For every million dollar home there's 10 trailers housing the people that serve the rich guy on vacation. That's the boat captain, the gas station employee, the waitress, the museum attendant, etc.
You're aware that people outside of Miami understand codes and insurance, right? It's not some huge secret like you're implying. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with them, that's just their decision and how they choose to spend their money.
I get that but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be required to build their home to withstand a potential hurricane which is a reality of living in Florida. You act like this is the first time an area of florida has had to debate whether or not to raise building standards. My area already went through it and now we are the best equipped place to withstand a hurricane in the country.
Again, forcing codes across an entire state bc one area of the state gets a lot of hurricanes is beyond stupid.
we don't get a lot of hurricanes. just like the rest of florida we get a lot of hurricanes in the area, but rarely catch a direct hit.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD WITH YOUR CODES. What part of that do you not grasp? You're literally championing gentrification. You realize that right?
you don't think there are/were poor people in SFL? The places that got hit hardest by Andrew were Homestead and south miami which are/were lower middle class and below. most of those areas still have the same tier of wage earners living there.
you are acting like it is 100% guaranteed these people will have to leave if forced to rebuild to a higher code. I pointed out SFL as an example of an area that had to rebuild and didn't experience widespread gentrification. Yes it was 25 years ago, but the example still stands.
Every City in this state is a threat to hurricanes. the panhandle has been hit by 3 storms the last 3 years. Its not some anomaly your saying it is.
If the codes were to change, the insurance policy would do the same to cover the additional costs to rebuild I would think.
And for the most part, they've come out ok. This storm was an anomaly bc it was ridiculously strong and it hit a very poor area.
I highly doubt the insurance company is going to pay $600k for a house they had insured for $400k. Or $100k for a home they had insured for $60k. I don't see them increasing their replacement value AFTER a storm levels the house. But I'm not an insurance expert.
5-6? There's not many trailers 500 feet from the water there. There's poverty there but it's not right on the coast, at least from what I've seen. Comparing south Florida and the panhandle doesn't work.
I wouldnt call that storm an anomaly anymore. Having a storm like that hit every 13 years with the very real possibility of these storms coming more often. especially with the water temps getting warmer, more violent and frequent storms should be expected.
If we get one of those storms every 15 years, the odds it hits any specific place is still very low. The odds are very high that Mexico Beach won't be hit with another storm like that in the next 100 years.
1. trailers are exempt from building codes because they are not permanent structures and theoretically they can be hitched up and pulled away from danger. Obviously that isn't the case for most mobile homes, but it still works. 2. Plenty of poverty near the coast both in Homestead and the Keys.
1. Mobile homes can be real property. https://homeguides.sfgate.com/convert-mobile-home-real-property-72277.html 2. It's not across the street from the water in Homestead like it is in the panhandle. The Keys are somewhat similar.
Correct. I believe even after conversion they are not required to be built to permanent structure code.
CF3234 I'm not going to further ruin the thread with this back and forth. It's clear you know nothing about the panhandle and are instead just trying to shove something on someone else bc your area did it. Having a blanket code for everyone without taking into account the different situations doesn't really work. Should the houses be built better than they were in 1960? Of course. Should they all be built to withstand the Apocalypse? No, I don't think they should. The affects on the local community would be worse than the actual hurricane.
NOLA shouldn't be there from a safety "you shouldn't build coastal cities below sea level in an area sometimes hit by cat 5 hurricanes" sort of way. It's a great city though, you fucking weirdo.
Father-in-Law went to check on his house today, asked how it looked down there compared to what we have seen on tv, and he said it’s 100 times worse. If I get some pics I’ll post them in here.
Relatively unscathed compared to the other houses in the neighborhood. 8ft of water on the first floor, french doors blown out, and water got in on the 2nd and 3rd floor as well some.