The wife just sent me an email about a 7 day western Mediterranean cruise for 1,700 for two people with full refund on cancelations up to 48 hours before. Don't think it's gonna be safe to travel then when the fall outbreak is gonna happen. But might book anyways and cancel if the fall is bad again.
1. At this point even thats getting boring. 2. After you're done looking at the pictures, check out the words. Reality is we dropped the ball long enough to create an even bigger mess. The UN is estimating an additional 100m+ globally starve to death just from the economic fall out taking place. Whether we want to admit it or not, US consumer demand very much factors into that. The only way forward is by defeating the virus or by learning how to live with it. If the Fed's are incompetent, and clearly they are, then it's left to the states. Different states are going to land on different sides of that choice. This guy's got his staff wearing masks and he's spreading people out. That'll help normalize it in an area that likely sees masks as some sort of political statement and if his state is going to try to live with it, I'm glad he's taking that initiative to mitigate things. I hope others re-opening do the same. It's like bitching about jetblue requiring masks. Good. They all should.
Hence the reason States want to re-open don’t have to pay unemployment if workers refuse to work. Insurance claims won’t be paid either. A true fuck you to anyone who isn’t in the 1%
Great. They used words, but every customer doesn't have any protection on. They are the issue over the workers I only bitches about Jet Blue/airlines just now requiring masks. Should be a requirement. Wish stores required it too
A guy struggling to keep the lights on can refuse to feed people who don't wear masks that not everyone yet has, thus reducing his clientele even further, or he can provide the masks that he can not yet purchase due to shortages. Or he can do the best he can to find a balance with what he, and members of his community, have access to. Those are his choices. So to repeat my earlier post -- by requiring his workers wear masks he's normalizing it in his community. I, too, live in a redneck part of the world where they aren't required. And I'm seeing this play out down here and general community mask usage is going up visibly in response. No matter how you spin it, that's a good thing. It might not be the best thing, but none of this shit is.
While I understand that people need to feed their families, the number of people who work from home and are pushing to get back into the office is mind-blowing. That they equate their job with their identity is insane to me and quite depressing.
It’s obvious the Southern states are volunteering their citizens to be guinea pigs in this re-opening test. It’s happening. Hopefully it’s not a catastrophe.
It appears there is a clear decline in the major cities and theres no reason for this past weekend reporting to be more delayed than the previous ones. We also haven’t seen an explosion of cases/deaths in states we thought were next up after NY/NJ/LA. I’m sure it’s worthwhile to compare Monday’s to Tuesday’s but I’m more interested in this Monday to the last few.
We can do 100% of our job remotely. So I'm not sure what the point of risking everyone's health is just so we'll physically be in an office.
Because we are learned men keeping an eye on the rest of humanity (just don’t search posts from 2009 - 2015)
Pretty sure like 65-70% of the country is against opening things back up too early In my opinion, we have inadequate testing and contact tracing capacity. People are too stupid to do even the bare minimum of wearing a mask and maintaining social distancing. We’re going to reopen and a majority of the country will still be too scared to go do things so how is that going to fix the “economic” concerns?
Just about any study and mass testing is showing the infection rate is MUCH higher than thought and mortality rate is MUCH lower. Most people who have had it never had symptoms. Aside from a few areas hospitals are way below capacity. And, like several viruses, it can affect anyone but is very very targeted in who is affected for the vast majority. And seems to be pretty safe to open things up while also keeping stay at home order for those more likely to have symptoms. And for all the political chaos in here, none if it swaying my thoughts. Also Trump is dumb. Really really dumb.
With adequate testing/tracing/notification/masks, we could open safely. But Americans seem resistant to wearing masks, and I doubt that enough ppl would sign on to regular testing (if it were available).
I guess when tweet #375 has X mayor saying let's think about opening business 5 and you have people responding FUCK THAT GUY it doesn't make much sense to me.
Pretty sure a bunch of those antibody studies have significant flaws which has been explained by multiple posters with backgrounds in medicine and virology. At this point you’re just regurgitating Fox News talking points so I’m likely just wasting my time.
I don't pay any attention to Fox News. And I haven't been able to keep up with the thread so this is the first I've heard of the antibody tests not being accurate. That would change things.
I think an issue is a state like Ohio. We started distancing early, so numbers never spiked. People are bored and ready to make money again, so they're ready to open things back up. I think it's a dangerous game. Masks should be required everywhere, and so should social distancing when possible. It needs to be a steady opening, not everything all at once. Let's see what the numbers are like in a week or two with a soft opening. The nurses at my fiance's hospital are ready for it to open back up. But again, it really boils down to people being bored and wanting to make money.
Yes further spreading a deadly pandemic that we don't have our arms around us a good thing no matter way you spin it
This is from a study in Massachusetts which has nothing to do with any news station Age-----Cases----Hospitalized----Hosp. Rate----Share of Hospitalizations 0-19--------1394-------17---------------1.22%------------0.36% 20-29-----6030------105-------------1.74%------------2.21% 30-39-----7357-------225------------3.06%-----------4.47% 40-49-----7442-------349------------4.69%-----------7.35% 50-59-----8729-------669------------7.66%-----------14.08% 60-69-----7034-------876------------12.45%----------18.44% 70-79-----4933--------1031-----------20.90%---------21.70% 80+--------7738--------1779-----------19.11%------------31.13% Age-----Cases----Deaths----Case Fatality Rate----Share of Deaths 0-19--------1394-------0---------------0.00%------------0.00% 20-29-----6030-------1---------------0.02%------------0.04% 30-39-----7357--------7--------------0.10%-------------0.27% 40-49-----7442--------71-------------0.23%------------0.67% 50-59-----8729-------92-------------1.05%------------3.60% 60-69-----7034-------250-----------3.55%------------9.78% 70-79-----4933--------568-----------11.51%-----------22.22% 80+--------7738--------1621----------20.95%----------63.42%
We also don't have the supply for that. IDK, that's just my opinion on if states feel like they're ready to open. I think we should remained shut down, but my opinion doesn't matter.
the problem is some of the states most aggressive about reopening are not the ones with the best cases for doing it based on case growth/deaths etc. or they're trying to really swing the doors wide open like MO despite no blueprint for that in the world. not everyone has handled it like Dewine or had the reasonable slow reopening plan that won't just spike an enormous outbreak that it could be too late to revert before you're getting crushed. but sure whine about a stereotype of a thread you say you haven't been following
I've been following. I haven't been able to ready every post. Why not start to re-open but keep the stay at home orders for people at risk?
like what states? this is hyper local so you get differing views on where it's appropriate. Silver has done a good job the last few weeks showing where states are in their growth or decline. iirc the latter is a small number and almost no one is at the 14 day guideline laid out by the fed. you also have the broader discussion of what our countries goal actually is (flatten the curve so hospital capacity issues aren't a problem but move towards herd immunity which will lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths? or actually suppress the disease infection until we get proper treatments and vaccines limiting deaths overall?)
Can't speak for the rest of the thread, but for me it is how little we know about it together with the lack of testing and tracing. The receptionist at our firm (small firm, only 10 total people in the office) got diagnosed this weekend. She handles all of our mail and she interacts with most of the office multiple times throughout the day. Everyone has to walk past her desk multiple times per day. If we were open last week, its decent odds that I would have contracted it given the level of contact I have with her. Not great because of risk factors with my health, but I'm young and probably would have pulled through. More concerning to me was that if my boss got it, then he would almost certainly die given his age and health issues (that was his doctor's assessment in March). We also have a lady in the office who has numerous health problems and is immuno-compromised who would be facing an uphill battle. Throw in exposing my family or them exposing their families as well into the calculation. Given all the lingering uncertainty about the virus, I'm not willing to risk those people being exposed to the virus and possibly dying because the government wants to rush and reopen without having the proper precautions in place. If they want to reopen (particularly in Richland County), lets get on the backside of the curb and ramp up on what we need for mitigation when we get there.
Example # 3,203 of: I haven't been paying much attention, but here's my hypothesis on why scientists and medical professionals are wrong
The goal of the statewide shut downs was the flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming medical facilities and capacity for treatment. Outside of NYC, are there any other areas which are still at or close to capacity? Every report I am seeing are that healthcare facilities have been underutilized for the past several weeks (excluding NJ/NY). Am I mistaken on that? Did the goal of shelter in place transition away from the goal of limiting the impact on medical facilities?
Where does that end. My wife is very high risk and myself and 3 children are not. So should we live a normal life and just leave her home? That won't work because the 4 of us can just as easily infect her living that way. Not to mention how many people aren't aware they have an auto immune disease or other issues that many have and aren't aware of.
There are areas that fit that description but they're smaller hot spots and not giant cities like NYC, generally.
I've had 2 family members get it. 1 is 30ish and 1 80ish. Another who is a nurse and another who was on the covid floor at Lexington Medical. Several others who have been in and out of doctor offices from 6 months old to senior citizens. Everyone is ok. From what I posted earlier, studies are coming out that it is more widespread than initially thought, and that it targets a specific group of people. The other guy said that isn't necessarily true so I'll read the other thread. But my comments come from info not tied to any side of the white house or any twitter handle. And from the studies I've personally seen it isn't quite as dangerous as folks thought. Which is why some of the replies in here seem a little over the top. I'm not saying push the go button for everything to go back to normal, but there doesn't appear to be a major reason to not start trending back in that direction.
The goal of the stay at home wasn't just making sure hospitals weren't overrun. It was also so that we could buy time to ramp up production off PPE and increase testing to adequate levels. The latter two we have not accomplished.
That's a difficult question that probably doesn't have a black and white answer. With different states and different governments having their own version of shutdowns and stay at home orders, nothing is going to make it go away ever. Other than maybe an actual nationwide shutdown that will be enforced which isn't and doesn't need to happen. The best you can do is try to protect those known to be at risk because there isn't a unified response at any level.
How are people supposed to wear masks at a restaurant? I get that you could start with a mask on, but you have to take it off to eat/drink.
Obviously if you or a close family member is high risk, the entire family would need to take the necessary precautions. However does that mean those without those risks are also required to shelter in place? Do you see an opportunity to have some sort of balance where those with low risk factors could be allowed to reopen while those with higher risks still need to exercise greater cautionary steps? This is an honest question by the way.