Electric Vehicles

I put my order in last tuesday for a 3 SR+

gonna be a long few weeks waiting, but I keep praying that nothing goes wrong with my current car until then

also glad I got it in before another $500 price bump

 

What precipitated my purchase was the god damn emissions system controller dying right around when I had to renew my registration and get the emissions checked. Was going to cost almost $1000 to replace and I'm sure the repair shop was going to fuck me and completely upcharge.

 

I found out after the fact when I picked up my truck that the CAM sensor was also bad per the check engine light. I’m pretty sure the fuel pump was also going bad (its got 120k miles on it) but part of me wondered if the whole issue was just the cam sensor and they didn’t tell me about it until after they had already replaced the fuel pump.

It quacked like a fuel pump issue (but also a CAM sensor issue), so I don’t really have a leg to stand on in terms of questioning it. They did “throw in the CAM replacement for free” which seemed a little suspect.

Anyway, abolish ICE.

 

I have jobs all over the place right now and I think I very rarely would approach 300-400, 250 isn’t impossible though

 

What truck?

My truck wouldn't run when the cam position sensor went out, left me on the side of the road
$20 part and took a guy who knew where it was like 5 minutes to change it out, in the parking lot

The next week Ford released a recall for the sensor

 

2012 Nissan Frontier. What made me think it was actually the fuel pump was that the car would stall when idling and then I could turn it back on, drive it for a little and then repeat.

 

Shit like this makes me wonder how many jobs will be lost building cars. If they don't need all these parts because engines exhausts and transmissions etc are simplified and the electronics are all outsourced to Chyna.

 

Lol @ simplified

 

My uncle used to work for Ford on their trucks (Bronco, F150, etc) and now works for Rivian. However, he isn't working on the Rivian pickup. He's working on their Amazon truck. I haven't looked at investor presentations or anything but I believe that a bulk of Rivian's value is based on the Amazon trucks.

 

It's somewhat fortunate in a way. It's nearly impossible to hire mechanics right now and the best solution is to just go with more EV's because most young people haven't really found much interest in being a mechanic despite it paying well.

I'm in the process of partnering with a technical school so we can start to build a pipeline of new mechanics. On the kids first days I have them learning how to work on fire trucks (shadowing experienced techs). All the old mechanics are too scared to touch anything "red".

 

We had this in our ATV. It was bad gas.

One tip I never realized about getting gas (I realize this is the wrong thread). Do NOT fill up at the pump if you see a tanker unloading fuel at the station. Typically the bottom of tanks has some amount of water that has settled. When they are being filled, the water is stirred up. You then get some water when fueling up and it can cause issues.

 

About time for me to buy a new vehicle. Really torn between the new V8 Jeep 392 Rubicon and something like the Rivian. Cost is pretty similar. On one hand the V8 Jeep is something I've wanted for a long time but I kinda feel like I'll regret it in 4 years when everyone else has moved to electric. Probably won't go that fast but the tech in the electric area intrigues me.

 

They already have a plug-in Hybrid and I swear I saw an article on their all electric one.

 

Cross posting over here, somehow missed this thread.

Just put a deposit down for the F150 lightning. Have been driving a Tesla Model 3 for about 8 months and absolutely love it but I thought I could get away with not pulling a trailer for work but it's been just a little too inconvenient recently. I don't think I'll ever be able to go back to driving an ICE car so was contemplating the cybertruck, Rivian, or something similar electric that could pull a trailer. I'm sure the cybertruck is going to be badass but not sure if I'll ever be able to get past the look. Possibly the biggest sale for me with the F150 too is vehicle-to-grid. I actually can charge at work for "free" so I'll be able to charge at work and then run my house off my car when I'm home, basically bringing my power bill to almost zero. Plus, being in NC I lose power frequent enough from thunderstorms, ice/snow, hurricanes, etc. Also, add in the federal tax credit and it actually starts to become a financial no brainer for me. Biggest concern is the range, top level will apparently get 300 which I can make work but it's about the minimum I could go. After driving the model 3 which I get about 280ish miles on I've realized for me a real sweet spot in range would be 350+.

 

I'm sure there are some that will buy it bc it says Tesla, but I'm getting it in spite of its appearance because of the price, specs, and the steel body (live on a gravel road and paint chips are inevitable) and the awesome experience I've had with my Model 3 the last three years.

Rivian and Ford will have a more traditional "better looking" vehicle but are both light years behind Tesla's charging network. Competition is good for the consumers though and the next 10 years will be wild in the EV space.

 

Yea the charging network is frustrating. The fed needs to step in and do something imo.

 

Same for cellular towers but probably just because I live in BFE and only have the option of Verizon and some local shitty networks.

 

Hosted by Jeremy Clarkson, James May, and Richard Hammond

 

Feel like I might land here when it's all said and done. Ford might be able to catch up one day but everything points to Tesla being far ahead with specs and more specifically battery technology. Maybe we will get a little more clarity on June 3rd.

 

More like 10 years ago when every phone took a new charger and cord and you had to buy a new one with every phone. Think about how dumb it would be if Ford and Chevy had different type holes to put the gas in at the station. Having a Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc exclusive gas station sounds insane. Same thing with electric. I realize Elon only cares about making money but fuck him for hiding behind wanting to save the world when he really just wants more money. Just have universal chargers. Like those stations in the airport that has an adapter for every phone known to man.

 

Don’t want to burst your bubble but Elon isn’t exactly the only CEO whose mission is to make money. He’s spent the time and money to be first with the infrastructure and it would be absurd to force him to allow every other manufacturer to piggy back off of his network without huge compensation. Whether it’s the feds or other car companies paying him to use the super chargers, he’s gonna make money either way. And a lot of it.

 

K.

 

I never said he was the only one. But he pretends to be all about the environment and that's bullshit. And fuck him, I'm not saying anyone needs to build on his network. The fed needs to subsidize universal charging stations like they did gas stations 100 years ago. If Tesla wants to go alone and still build their own, have fun. Everyone else needs to be on the same network.

 

tesla was also subsidized by the feds to stop from going bankrupt

sooooooo

 

Are there any companies that are focusing on expanding EV charging locations on a large scale? It seems like an industry with a relatively low overhead and massive potential income.

 

Elon has said other EV manufacturers can integrate to use Superchargers. Who knows if he’s serious, could see other manufacturers being scared of being reliant on their rival for their charging needs which is very valid as the dudes incredibly untrustworthy.

I feel very confident that you will see a huge federal push to help with all things EV. It’s very obviously the future and the quicker we can get to total adoption the better.

 

Same with Exxon and every oil company in history, sooooo.

dblplay1212 what's your opinion on what the feds should do? Mandate a universal charger (which I'm philosophically fine with) and not compensate TSLA for being the first at creating the network? My cell tower analogy assumes every other company would pay rent to use the towers other companies built, but for the good of the country coverage should be the most important aspect. Whoever took the risk and built it should be compensated handsomely, otherwise they can build their own network with all the different android-type charging cords, it's a free country.

 

Depends on the administration unfortunately. Texas can get fucked right in the ass for trying to pass an electric vehicle tax that's significantly higher than the fuel tax ICE pay.

 

Well sure but Biden will be all about it and I don’t think your turning this EV push around after the next 3 years. We are getting very close to there being hardly any reasons to buy an ICE vehicle. When the entry point pricing is on par with ICE vehicles, maintenance is substantially lower, and add in environmental issues it’s game over. I’m pretty bullish on all this but I think that’s within 5 years of happening.

 

I think the fed should have subsidies for companies to build universal charging stations. If Tesla wants to participate and build cars that are compatible, great. If they want to spend the money to build their own, cool.

 

Is it? I'm guessing I pay about $400 a year in taxes on gas, driving about 12k miles a year. How much is the EV tax in TX?


In addition to the federal tax of 18.4 cents a gallon, Florida has another 26.5 cents. And local governments can add up to 12 cents, totaling 56.9 cents per gallon.

 

A podcast I listened to broke it down and it was 3 times as high per mile driven or something close. Obviously a clear poke in the eye to electric vehicles in a state with lots of oil.

 

I'm curious about this and how it will look in the future
Obviously at this point, our current model of convenience store with gas pumps isn't the answer
Assuming that charging times will average 30 minutes per person.....?

Just guessing there, like many have said it's a big difference in your day to day operation if you charge at home and occasionally need a little charge to get home vs like road trip situations

 

i'm pretty sure Hyundai's quick charge is only going to work at their high level chargers which they are just starting to map out to build them

I haven't seen much about quick charge/high level charging from other companies but there is a company called Electrify America that is trying to build universal charging stations

 

A quick Google search said the proposed bill is $190-240 for an EV.

In Texas, gasoline and diesel fuel are subject to a 20-cent tax per gallon. In addition, the federal government imposes taxes of 18.4 cents per gallon on gasoline and 24.4 cents per gallon on diesel fuel.

Cali is 74 cents and Florida is 56 cents so Texas is way lower.

So at 12k miles using regular gas, paying $0.38 per gallon, getting 20 mpg, that's $228 total for gas tax.

Seems about the same to me. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for giving incentives for people to go EV. But I also see the dilemma for states bc it makes up a good chunk of the budget. In Texas, it's $3.6b for 6.6% of their budget.

 

That's fair. It should be a joint effort by all manufacturers imo. The entire space would benefit from it.

 

depends on what quick/high level charging becomes

the v3 tesla superchargers are hoping to get 1000 miles an hour so you could get 200 miles in 12 mins (in theory), but also the more EV stations there are the shorter the time can be, because the first ~75% of the battery fills faster than the final 25%. So the less distance between each charging station means you don't have to maximize your charge just to make it to the next one so you reduce your charge time that way.

 

While I have no faith in the .gov to get it right, they pretty much have to figure out a way to tax electric vehicles for miles driven on public roads
That's how they pay for road maintenance

Short of putting tracking devices on all electric vehicles, it's gunna be unfair in one way or the other
Or maybe a separate utility meter on any charging station installed in a home, but that will lead to lots of cheating the system

 

That's a good point. Definitely hard to tax by usage.