12 team college football playoff proposal gaining steam

^ this exactly.

 

Playoff expansion = trash

 

Agreed, we would just need to convince the conferences to do away with the worthless championship games.

 

That won't ever happen for money reasons.

 

This going to benefit Alabama more than it hurts. They would have missed 2 playoffs if that, since 2008 under a 12 team format.

 

They aren’t trying to get the best champion. They are trying to get the best access for their conference. It’s a cash grab.

 

Go back to the BCS or even pre-BCS popularity contest.

 

Agreed. But it’s not going away, so something needs to change that maybe makes it a little better.

 

There’s rarely four deserving teams for a playoff. Only reason to add teams is for money. Not a fan of watering down the playoff even more. Four is more than enough.

 

I'd like to see what happens when Saban retires before we go changing everything, personally. I think a lot of the angst in the current system is a result of Alabama simply being too good.

 

I'm not worried about it.

Expanding actually helps Ohio State because we'll get in 90% of the time. I like that in the current system we can't afford to lose sometimes even one game and still get in. I like that regular season games are meaningful regardless of who we're playing.

 

Is the lack of parity a direct result of the playoff?

I don't know that it is.

I don't think there was as much parity pre playoff as some would suggest. From 06-13 there was an SEC team in every title game and they won it every year except 13.

 

100%. I’m arguing against the people in here calling for auto bids, not the ADs

 

Giving teams a three loss cushion into the playoffs seems like a bad idea for the playoff and the regular season. The regular season will become wildly pedestrian. Elite teams will use the entire regular season preparing for a three to four game postseason.

 

this playoff Super League sounds ready made for my favorite football team, Tottenham Hotspur Penn State Nittany Lions

 

BCS is best situation. #1 vs #2 for the title, but lots of other games still mattered. Expanding the playoff is going to turn the college football regular season into the NFL regular season, and do the same for conferences. No thanks.

 

The point of a playoff is not to determine the best team but to justify the process of crowning a champion by making it transparent, as fair as possible, and agreed upon. And, of course, to maximize revenue whenever possible. "Best" is an argument for fans. Sports are about who wins and who loses. The bowl system sucked because there was no process whatsoever for crowning a champion. Titles were won in the voting booth, not on the football field. The BCS was a step in the right direction by creating a system for determining the "best" two teams and at least pairing them in a title game. A two-team playoff, however, was overly restrictive and greatly subject to whatever process picked those two teams. Due to siloed conference schedules, college football is plagued by fairness issues when title access is highly limited. Determining what teams are most deserving is subjective when teams don't play each other. The CFP was another step in the right direction in terms of addressing those issues. Still, the lowest seed has already won two titles in the CFP era.

I largely think the current CFP succeeds as a process for fairly selecting a national champion. Occasionally a national champion might come out of a lower seed from a 6- or 8-team CFP. I don't think a 9-12 seed is likely to win a title. However, a 12-team playoff is difficult to fault for being too exclusive. If I am a greedy P5 commissioner, I want to keep the lucrative amateur football racket going for as long as possible. Offering a small seat at an embiggened table could appease currently dissatisfied conferences and keep them from complaining to nosy politicians. It's a small price to pay.

 

Shut Up Nerds!!

More Football!

 

Nobody wants to see riff-raff move into their gated community, much less eight riff-raffs.

 

It's certainly a factor even to those that don't want to acknowledge it, and I say this with zero smugness. I'm aware of the portion of the CFB fanbase that has lost interest during this run, it happens in anything competitive.

Exactly. This sounds fun for everybody, until an Alabama or Ohio State make it in, in a year where they lose to an Ole Miss and LSU/Wisconsin and Penn State then proceed to hit a hot streak with their innately loaded rosters and run it back from #9-12, in a year where they should be punished and miss the opportunity based on their regular season performance.

This reminds me of the transfer changes. People are excited about the idea of the 4/5 star second teamers at the blue bloods immediately transferring for PT to smaller schools to increase talent parity, when in reality you have Fields and To'o To'o immediately eligible for said blue bloods.

 

Maybe they're floating a 12 team playoff right now to get everyone mad so we'll all be happy when they inevitably settle on 8.

 

Cool. Pay the athletes.

 

Afraid you're going to lose?

 

They prefer the term "Eunuch team".

 

Disagree. I think the Auto bids actually makes the regular season better. You have two paths: You can schedule shit OOC and just hope you win your conference because if you lose a game with a shit OOC, you have less of a chance. Or you can actually schedule good, tough OOC games knowing that: A) even if you lose that game, you can still get in winning your conference and B) your resume and schedule strength is better with a "strong loss" that you might still make the playoff over a team with fewer losses but a shit schedule.
I think this makes teams schedule better OOC games knowing they have an out of winning their conference.

 

Exactly. The other BCS bowls were outstanding to watch. And served as program launchers, didn't have to win the National championship to surpass a major stepping stone as a program. Now it's just a bunch of mopey non-playoff teams barely showing up.

I'll never understand the "fewer bowls!" crowd but I guess sorry there's so much college football to watch over the Holidays.

 

It’s a lot more likely that a team like Cincinnati beats a team like Georgia than it is Penn St actually makes a run to win a title over OSU/Bama/Clem.

 

8's better. Hate the byes. 8 teams having to beat the absolute shit out of eachother for the right to play a very well rested and healthy Alabama or Clemson. Sounds like we'll eventually end up with the same result. Bama and Clemson are probably lobbying for the second round to start the day after the first

 

Yeah, fuck the byes.

 

I think the byes are great. It gives them 3 separate tiers to fight for. Teams 1-4 get a Bye, Teams 5-8 get to host the first round and Teams 9-12 get a chance, even if it's a Lloyd Christmas kind of chance. Makes the year end rivalry and conference championship games more exciting. Sure, both Bama and Georgia are getting in the playoff but the winner gets a Bye and the loser does not. Seems like more to play for. Now, I can get behind also getting rid of divisions and doing the Big 12 championship format in this case.

 

4 appearances vs. zero for us? Sign me up.

 

Looking back it seems like you probably get the same champ most years, but it's all conjecture til it's proven on the field. 9-7 Giants were champs over the 16-0 Patriots iirc

 

Right?? Who the fuck is complaining about that? And in 2016 we would have had a decent chance to get to the semis by beating Western Michigan and then Washington. As great as the Rose Bowl against USC was, I'll take a semifinal against Alabama, thank you.

 

Also would have been fun to go to Seattle, the Coliseum, Athens, and Waco since our non conference scheduling is ass gravy.

 

Counterpoint from Bama/OSU fans:

 

All those extra interesting and meaningful games look awful not for me

 

My point was tangential to your point. I quoted your post, but was really just responding to the big question of the thread.

"Prove it on the field" > "eye test" in every single other sport

 

That was worded somewhat poorly on my end. I was talking about OSU/Bama/Clemson hitting a hot streak with their talent and winning it all, in a year where they shouldn't have the chance to.

 

Ohio State got left out in 2015 (7), 2017 (5), and 2018 (6). No one is going to complain about an expanded playoff with more than four teams.

 

Have you read this thread?

 

That's literally what's happening ITT

 

I think 8's the right number. Fuck byes. 8 team playoff effectively replaces BCS bowl system.

 

What if we worked up to 12? Start with 6, see how that goes, then 8, then 12. That way we’ve got all the processes worked out, locations, whatever. We can see how it works leading up to it. And as always, no automatic bids