State asking that the murderers not be allowed to make money from this experience, and if money is made it goes to the Arbery family. Book, movie, speaking/interview, etc.
Sounds like Roddy Bryan will not be eligible for parole for 30 years in Georgia. That makes him 82, and probably dead by then.
I hope none of them ever breathe free air again. I hope that their last remaining days (no matter how long) are filled with pain and fear like AA last minutes were. Fuck you Charlie Kelly. You gigantic POS.
I agree with the judge that his actions were different than the McMichaels and he did seem to have some remorse but his actions also played a large role in the murder so he was sentenced accordingly. I was worried there for a minute that he was going to do something crazy and override the conviction or do a very light sentence.
when ole charlie got out of prison and back on tmb he claimed his bosses were doing the same thing and he just got blamed for it DUBIOUS
Pretty sure old Charlie told the board that he only did it b/c he Boss was stealing money at a much high clip and he wanted to steal too
You are, iirc he spent 1000s on “my free cam” which is quite the opposite of what the site claims to be.
I don't really know enough about the inner workings of this board re: people IRL and what they (stupidly) choose to share with us but goddamn these last two pages have been wild. somewhat weird since I'm a night one poster that I know so few of these stories but I appreciate the loremasters. and kudos to the judge for just hammering them.
because they have life without parole plus 20 years. There is no point in spending money on a federal trial. These POS will die in prison. Now the other POS don’t offer him and make serve his fed time consecutive to the state time imo
I'm saying there's no point to offering them a plea. They're guilty. The DoJ needs to stop trying to help them out.
Did you read the article? The plea deal gives them a better time in jail than just letting them sit in state prison. "The DOJ has gone behind my back to offer the men who murdered my son a deal to make their time in prison easier for them to serve,” Wanda Cooper-Jones, Arbery’s mother, said in a statement Sunday, according to First Coast News. “I have made it clear at every possible moment that I do not agree to offer these men a plea deal of any kind. I have been completely betrayed by the DOJ.” The plea deals would allow the McMichaels, who were sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole earlier this month, to enter federal custody and spend the first 30 years of their life sentences in a “preferred” federal prison, said Lee Merritt, an attorney for Cooper-Jones, according to the Associated Press. Ahmaud Arbery’s father, Marcus Arbery, also told reporters he was “mad as hell,” the AP reported. The facility would be safer and less crowded, according to CNN. Merritt went so far as to liken federal prison conditions to a “country club” when compared with those of state prisons in a tweet Monday.
I agree that the feds shouldn’t try to make their lives easier. I also don’t think there should be a trail. Offer them something that transfers them after 20 years in state or something like that. Don’t let them get off easy.
so you ignore the sentence right before that when I literally said they should be forced to start their time in state prison? I mean I think they shouldn’t get off easy but that also doesn’t need to be a trail.
I don’t know what you’re even getting at at this point. I think your first response before reading the story has thrown off our dialogue. They’ve been found guilty. They shouldn’t even have the opportunity at a plea deal. That’s all I was saying/getting at.
There’s an argument to be had about prison conditions and dehumanizing nature of them contributing to more violence, recidivism, gang activity, and just generally a worse society, but I don’t think this is the place for that discussion. I just want to say that if your argument is “I just want to maximize the likelihood that they are killed by one of their fellow inmates,” make that argument instead of calling for generally shithole conditions for our prisoners. On the other side, I suppose you could make an argument for federal prosecution as a buffer against a Republican Governor commuting their sentences, but otherwise it seems largely pointless. I don’t know how likely these shithead justices on the Supreme Court are to decide that federal hate crime sentences are some kind of violation of double jeopardy but it seems like the kind of thing they’d like to do and I don’t feel like giving them any more high profile ammunition, personally.
1. Before reading the story I thought the plea deal was more of a moving on thing since they are never going to be free. 2. After reading the story I agree with you that it’s bullshit that the DOJ is doing anything to make their lives easier. 3. My opinion is that if a plea deal can be reached that doesn’t make their lives easier it might be the best thing.
Gotcha. On point 3, that seems like what a bulk of the whole plea was. Obviously doesn’t mean Vice has it 100% right, but yea.
I hate to be both sides guy but I get torn on the prison conditions thing. In general, I don't think they should be hell holes. A lot of people in prison aren't bad people, just got caught up in some bullshit and ended up there. Lots of people in prison for bullshit weed offenses. And there's a lot of innocent people in jail too. But then you have shitstain people like this and I don't mind if they spend every hour of every day in solitary for the rest of their lives.
I don’t think anyone should spend any significant amount of time in solitary tbh. It’s cruel and unusual.
very few people in prison will never get out. The vast majority will be released one day. It’s better for society if prison was a place for rehabilitation and not punishment.
If they try the case federally, they risk creating bad precedent (even if they win the case) that could hurt their ability to bring hate crimes cases in situations where the defendants aren’t facing life in prison already. I find the idea that the killers should have to live in greater fear of unlawful violence not to be a compelling reason for the feds to spend a lot of resources to run that risk.
Criminal justice shouldn’t be for a pound of flesh. No exceptions. If you excuse your values for certain circumstances they don’t really mean anything
prison reform isn’t about those who will never get out. It’s about society. It’s not a two sides thing.
Here’s the problem, you’re giving 2 guys who basically lynched a black man options that are never made available to black people convicted of murder/crimes. I know it’s petty and it’s not the right attitude to have, but the optics of it is pissing people off.
Totally understand. I’m just trying to be consistent in my philosophy is all. Even for something that’s as heinous as this.
no one is arguing that they should be released or that they shouldn’t get life in prison. What we are talking about is the fundamental purpose of prison. Incarnation shouldn’t be about punishment it should be about rehabilitation. Sadly more MOC are incarcerated in America than any other group so advocating for prison reform isn’t about helping some POS racist assholes it’s about helping our people and making sure that revolving door closes.