because you aren't actually disputing anything substantively, you're just saying "no" and expecting people to go oh ok its not remotely a boogeyman because it's not that important
You sure spend enough time in this thread that it seems quite important to you Or else you’re just really bored with too much time on your hands
the latter is true the former is true in as much as I spent a chunk of covid educating myself on the space and seeing people dispute that like, the sky is blue, is really mind meltingly dumb
My guy - this is just mind melting, if you're going to make wild unsubstantiated claims (crypto is an anarcho-capitalist project as a sector) the burden of proof is on you. You've provided nothing but wild claims, which based on my experience, are not rooted in truth. You're just slinging mud
read about the creation of digital currency, cypherpunks, blockchain, and bitcoin itself. literally everyone involved is like "yes this is about libertarianism and anarcho capitalism" as I've stated multiple times at this point yes some defi projects are just fintech. many people in the space are speculators. but the majority of the rhetoric in the space is still based in libertarian ideology because the entire infrastructure is built for that goal. i don't understand the mud slinging part, these are factual claims but you're taking them as slanderous because you have hyper negative views of libertarian ideology I guess?
Chumbo has the most normal reaction. "oh that kinda makes sense but it seems irrelevant to my money making desires, moving on" which is very true.
It’s open source software code. If you can’t see that without screaming “libertarians!” then that’s on you. Oddly silent on the 44% link not working. And on the multi-country adoption that almost certainly has nothing to do with political leanings. Also lol at the guy taking shots at El Salvador’s president. Fascists typically don’t adopt currencies they have zero control over. He would’ve been far more powerful making up his own currency.
i've commented on the 44% thing a few times. the link is dead to the study from the City College of London but if you google the claim its cited broadly by literal crypto websites for years and years. the other coindesk article has libertarians + ancaps at 32% with another 21% identifying as conservative. 32% or 44% that's a hugely outsized portion compared to the countries demographics and even more outsized when you control for age. you reference Satoshi's whitepapers all the time, which also references how libertarian ideologically the project is. on and on.
i understand there's some utility in denying there's a political component to crypto/btc/blockchain/etc but half the space is literally telling you the libertarian case is why they're here and why people have spent decades on these projects. the rhetoric around it is all very libertarian as seen by the "central bank/money printing/fiat boo" stuff.
You keep stating my exact point, but the not understanding the correct conclusion. No one disputes the origins are libertarian and counterculture in nature. Our very internet today, which is politically neutral, was cut from a similar. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23738871.2016.1157619 The first Internet boom: 1995–2000 In the 1980s, ‘cyberspace’ – the term coined by the novelist William Gibson to describe the virtual world behind the computer screen (Gibson 1984) – was an unusual space. It was essentially a geek preserve, with a social ethos that was communal, libertarian, collaborative, occasionally raucous, anti-establishment and rich in debate and discussion (see Hauben and Hauben 1997). It had no commerce, no hierarchies, no crime and no spam, and in general it was populated by people who either knew one another, or at least knew others’ institutional affiliations. In that sense, cyberspace and the so-called real world existed as parallel universes. Most people outside of the magic circle had no knowledge of the network – and even if they did, they would have found it difficult to gain admission to it. Does the above sound familiar at all to you? There's no point in continuing if you keep screeching about the origins (which are not in dispute), but won't acknowledge the shift that's taken place the last 5-6 years. I think you know you're wrong, you just can't publicly back down with TMB watching
what am I wrong about? be specific or make the case for crypto, what problems it addresses, and the broad benefits it has without using libertarian and/or anarchist framing
Idk if you just don't know libertarian ideology or just wildly flailing but crypto being libertarian friendly seems indisputable, especially if you consider yourself an expert.
Fascism for Bitcoin/Ethereum and not a national currency seems likely when you think about it logically
I mean BTC reached the height of its actual not speculative fucking usefulness with the Silk Road and if you don't know what that is then you know jack fuck about crypto and how it can be best utilized besides riding grifts to passive gains while people with much more money mine the fuck out of it hoping to make money off true believers and eject entire countries' worth of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere to do so. And if you can't make the connection between Silk Road and libertarianism you don't know jack shit about jack shit. Again it doesn't matter. But the head in sand denial and the "i've dedicated 1000 of hours of my own research into crypto so I know more about it than others who get paid to cover this topic for years is as Lytch said: Weird af. And kind of annoying to read through.
The Winklevosses went in front of Congress years ago and couldn't give a good explanation for how it wasn't just a way to commit crimes more easily
This is cute. Blockchain is a system of recording information in a way that makes it difficult or impossible to change, hack, or cheat the system. It's a public online ledger that can't be changed or manipulated. A lot of these people are getting caught in fraud cases because they think they are able to move their funds and 'wash' them, but that is also not true.
Ah yes we’ve hit the crimes and carbon emissions session of the day. Bingo! Really love committing crimes on a publicly traceable ledger and not using things like cash.
People used it explicitly to skirt government reach but suggesting that that is catnip for libertarians apparently makes whammy lose his mind
Yeah you say the same thing over and over. You'd think you'd realize it's not a compelling argument to most people at this point but we keep getting it
I posted the definition. You guys are the one's going in circles about a topic that you clearly aren't interested or familiar with. And accusing another poster of losing their mind in the process. This is insane and entertaining.
Yeah you say the same thing over and over. You'd think you'd realize it's not a compelling argument to most people at this point but we keep getting it
I’ve answered both of these questions explicitly, multiple times. Yet you keep asking, deflecting possibly but you’re being very obtuse rn
Is anybody else on the edge of their seat to see how ugly it gets after Btc loses 20k and Eth loses 1k?
Eh. Caveat emptor. It’s a nascent market. At least we don’t socialize the losses, bailout the crooks/gamblers looking to freeroll.
Crazy to see multiple markets implode bc they didn't plan for market volititly when they deal with an extreme volatile asset. Feel bad for the people getting left holding the bag.
Lol the only thing that must suck worse than losing 70% of your crypto value is losing 100% of it because the other morons you trusted to help you be a moron just took all of your money and won’t ever give it back.
Dude it’s a store of value and a hedge against inflation I have done a thousand hours of research you obviously just don’t get it
Sounds like the three arrows capitals dudes used other peoples money for their first margin call before all their assets were liquidated oopsies