We know Miles had some intent with when giving the gun to Davis, he was present at the initial altercation and texted Miller asking for the gun. We don’t know how much of it was initial aggression or he was worried for his life but that will hopefully come out eventually and justice will be served. I don’t think that was a genuine question but he absolutely should not be reinstated at this time. In my definitely biased opinion, we don’t know what Miller knew and when and we definitely don’t know his intent. I’ve tried putting myself in his shoes and what I would do if I got a similar text from one of my friends. My roommate kept a gun in the apartment, I never even saw it but it’s not outside the realm of possibility at some point he could have texted me and asked for it in a similar manner. I think the first thing I would have done was told him to call the police if he was worried for his life but as has been discussed itt POC have a much different view in calling the police than me, so if Miller saw the text I’m not sure that would be a viable option for him. Next I would be worried for my friends life and I’m honestly not sure what I would do. I honestly can’t see myself bringing the gun, but I would definitely go to him. The gun was already in Miller’s car and as has been discussed he can’t just throw it out the window, and he can’t just leave his friend. It’s an impossible situation for a 19 year old.
Surprising to me that you would take this position considering your other posts on this topic and the facts that Miles didn’t shoot anybody and you believe it may have been self defense.
No my position was we give the boyfriend the benefit of the doubt because he’s a poc, and say that’s potentially why he’s not showing. Why do we not do that for Miller, Miles, and Davis? They’re all people of color, yet we take up a stance that they are automatically guilty of murder, but what if the facts show they acted in self defense?
I think you do have a point that a lot of unfounded assumptions are being made. The strength of the criminal cases is really hard to evaluate based on news reports. For that reason, playing a guy who was *at the very least* present for a murder days after it occurred seems like a really irresponsible decision. They certainly didn’t know the facts at that point. I think that’s the rub that a lot of your fan base is missing.
Then they’ll be acquitted? I haven’t said anything about the racial component of this case, so I think you’re mixing up conversations. I’m merely asking that if you believe Miller deserves the benefit of the doubt, why doesn’t Miles?
If Miles was released on bond, that doesn’t dismiss the charges against him. That’s the huge obvious difference.
The fuck are you saying here? You really don't understand why a young black man wouldn't cooperate with the police/DA do you? You're saying "You give Johnson a pass for not talking to the DA bc he's black, why don't you give Davis a pass for murder bc he's black? and you don't understand just how stupid that is. Thr action we're discussing matters. It's not just an exemption for all actions based on skin color. One particular action, not talking to police/DA, gets a pass bc the police/DA have spent decades terrorizing their communities. Many black people don't truth them bc of that's and that's understandable. It's not "just bc he's black." It's bc of what the police/DA have done to black people. Correlating that to giving Davis, Miles, and Miller a pass is insane.
See this isn't a good faith post. The distinctions between Millers' case and Miles' are so obvious that no rational Alabama fan thinks the two cases should be treated the same and no rational Alabama fan thinks Miles should be eligible to play if bonded out. And you know all of this and simply asked the question to make the fan base look as irrational as possible .
dblplay1212 coming in here acting like he knows what a POC thinks or feels is the most rich , ironic, and hypocritical part of the entire thread.
No. The portion of the fanbase you think is missing this point is well aware of this point. We just disagree that Miller should've been suspended and not bc we were winning basketball games, but bc we have empathy for a kid that has a tremendous future in front of him that could be jeopardized by taking action that implies he's guilty of something. The school chose to back their student athlete based on things that go beyond this one circumstance. His character has never been brought to question. He has been charged with nothing and has not broken any school policies. This is a very unique case that could have a tremendous affect on Miller's future. I respect other's opinion and can definitely see why some are frustrated with the handling of the situation, but accusing Miller of things without all the facts is disgusting and frankly driven by people that are mad that he's a good basketball player. He's been called a killer by people on this board. If you want to attack the school for policy change or the state government for law changes due to the situation that's fair. But to spend your energy trying to wreck a young man's life when the people that were ultimately responsible will be taken to task is sad.
This, to the point where I don’t even argue with him, but he read some books, or looked at history. Miss me with that shit.
You're able to listen to what men of color say and write and learn from their experiences. Hell, you can do that on this very board. It's clear you guys just choose not to.
I promise this is a good faith argument. I’m trying to parse the actual “damning” facts in this matter. To me, I don’t see an overwhelming difference between two people who delivered a gun to the actual shooter, especially if the facts of self defense are as big of a deal as Bama fans have said. (In the interest of full disclosure, I truly don’t believe there’s a huge difference in what Miles’ and Miller’s roles may have been which is why I think Bama fucked up so much in playing Miller). I’m trying to figure out why the police charges are the delineating factor when we’ve established that Bama fans don’t entirely believe the police account (Miller’s car blocked the car) and we don’t know things like whether Miller entered into a formal cooperation agreement in exchange for no charges.
You’re so fucking dumb, and quick to argue that you miss the point altogether sometimes. Has Davis been convicted? Has Miles been convicted? You make an awful lot of assumptions about why Johnson is not showing, but it’s real fucking cut and dry that Miles, and Davis are guilty. No fuck head those are still assumptions until they’ve had their day in court.
On one hand I would not have been critical of the University if they had treated Miller like a police department typically treats an officer involved in a shooting. Suspend him pending further investigation. On the other hand this case will go on for years. So does that mean Miller is suspended indefinitely? Even if the university ultimately had evidence and facts that he did nothing wrong? Are there distinctions between an officer involved shooting and discipline for same and the discipline of a 19 year old basketball player? I don't think any of the answers are easy. I think the university would have been shit on no matter what they did. I think the PR could have definitely been handled better.
Guess that makes you an expert on being a poc. Heck they have Dbl to speak for them now, we don’t even need their real opinions on matters.
You don't understand the distinction between Miles who knowingly and admittedly provided the weapon to Davis after having been aware and lived through the brewing and combustible situation and Miller who has never claimed to have knowledge of the building conflict and who has not admitted having previous knowledge of the gun ?
I don’t see a big difference between a guy who acknowledged a gun and a guy who hasn’t denied that he knew about the gun and was sent a text giving full knowledge of the entire situation (that he also hasn’t denied seeing). To say it another way, I don’t see a big difference between Miles pulling the trigger in this situation and Davis. *for the purposes of suspension from college athletics
What exactly is your point? We give Johnson a pass so why aren't we giving one to Miles and Davis? What exactly does that mean? And fwiw I've never said anyone is guilty.
I believe we're all aware where you stand on this matter. Think it's perfectly reasonable. You want to tell us 100 more times?
Really disappointing to see a couple of Bama fans who you thought were well reasoned and above this acting like MAGA clowns in this thread. Most I have no idea who they were and must just hang out in their threads, or were already confirmed crazies like junior, but IV has been embarrassing and I thought he was better than that.
the ol' MAGA defense. If someone disagrees with you but you believe you're on the moral high ground you throw in MAGA.
I do give a shit, just not when it comes from you. Daniel Ocean provided a reasonable answer yesterday, you on the other hand act like somebody anointed you to speak on their behalf.
You are in here arguing that " I need my joint ... rl just got da fakin," gave Miller " full knowledge of the entire situation ." Say what you want about my credibility or whether I'm arguing in good faith, it's pretty clear that you are reaching. Again, there is no evidence that Miller knew about the building conflict. Miles did. There is no formal admission that Miller knew about the gun. Miles admits that he provided the gun to Davis. The distinctions are obvious. You are just trying to conflate the culpability of Miles and Miller.
While maybe not full knowledge, at least enough knowledge that he should have been aware of the possibility of what happened. I think it’s telling that he’s never denied any of those things despite denying all kinds of other things through his lawyer.
that’s not at all what he meant by that statement. It’s the talk of witch-hunt and that people are only talking about this because they hate Bama.
Explain to me how " I need my joint ... rl just got da fakin," gave Miller the full context and history of the events, exchanges, and interactions that previously occurred that night between the involved parties.
He gave you answer and you went right back to your bullshit today. Mister Me Too gave an explanation on why Johnson may not be cooperating yesterday too and you went right back to your "You're giving him a pass bc he's black! Do the same for Miles and Davis!" bullshit today. It's clear you don't understand and don't give a shit understand why a young man of color may not want to cooperate. You're really going mask off on this one.
My thoughts are that it would have been reasonable (and probably prudent) to sit Brandon until they were sure they got all the information on what happened (as far as law enforcement was concerned). I don't know if they thought they had or not, but they clearly hadn't as evidenced by Byrne's discussion with Rece Davis in which he said they did not know about the text messages from Miles to Miller. At the point they felt they'd received everything that law enforcement had/was willing to give them, discussed matters with everyone involved still with the program, they'd have a decision to make and move forward. I think at that point Miller would have sat 1-2 games "while everything was being reviewed", you come back and explain that after review and discussion with law enforcement we are comfortable with Brandon representing this program and University and dressed him. But the University handled this poorly from the minute they learned of the shooting in January by not getting out in front of it, the way it was discussed from the top down, the lack of staying ahead of the narrative, etc. And as callous as that sounds in this sort of situation, that is their job and is literally specific individuals who work in the department's job. They did Brandon no favors and they did themselves no favors. A fortune 500 operation (which is what an athletic department in a big conference is) should be held to a higher standard than the sloppy way they reacted from behind throughout the process. And it cost them....as it should have. That's all I got, as if anyone cares anyway.
The only reason Bama fans have disputed that particular wording (Miller blocking the other car) is that it was misconstrued to appear as if Miller pulled behind the vehicle in a space and prevented that car from moving. That was never the case. Most Bama fans are familiar with the location and although a narrow street in one section, the road was never blocked and in fact the cars moved immediately in the aftermath. It wasn't some sinister block in maneuver.
If we're parsing through and examining the sparse formal statements we have from Miller on the subject then let's examine this one from his attorney: "Brandon does not own a firearm and has never even handled a firearm. Moreover, he had no knowledge of any intent to use any weapon." One would assume that if Miller did know about the building conflict his lawyer would not have made this statement.
Your constant mentioning of the boyfriend being given the benefit of the doubt because he’s a person of color is very telling and a very bad look on you, also that’s not what was said. Also FWIW Miles, Davis and Miller should not have spoken to the cops without a lawyer, I’m sure they are not speaking to them without a lawyer now.
We don't know all the specifics because we don't know exactly what Miller's dashcam picked up audio wise, but there is a reasonable argument to be made that Miles is sitting in jail without bond right now because of things he told the police without a lawyer. Not that he wouldn't have ended up there eventually (or that he shouldn't be there now because of his actions), but if you read all the reports it certainly sounds like some of the most damning evidence against him was stuff that came out of his mouth voluntarily during his initial sit down with police.
Which is why people should not speak to the cops without a lawyer, also why the boyfriend not choosing to cooperate should not be looked at as suspicious or automatically make him a suspect as some of the Bama fans seem to think.
This is a very reasonable post and I will also add that Oats handled everything poorly with his media session on the day of the additional information coming out. That very strongly contributed to my perception that he truly did not give a fuck about what happened. It definitely has impacted the lens through which I view everything because I fairly or unfairly do not give the program or AD the benefit of the doubt in certain situations as it seemed clear to me they weren’t taking the situation seriously and didn’t truly care that much about handling this correctly. The success of the basketball team seemed to be prioritized from the get go, and that feels gross.
Yep - and that may or may not actually be true, but by handling things in the manner they did.........they certainly made it reasonable to assume that they were being flippant about the situation and just wanted it to go away. They knew Brandon and Jaden were there the morning after the shooting (as did most of Tuscaloosa). They could have started working on how to deal with that immediately in terms of public perception (especially since they seemed to feel confident that neither had any direct involvement). They did nothing - no hand off of that information to a local source early on to ease that story out there with their spin/narrative of it, no prep from when it eventually came out that 2 current players were there, no nothing. They appeared to be shocked and taken aback when the full story leaked.......and they'd known most of the full story for a month at that point. Just a full blown failure and, as you noted, that can easily (and reasonably) be taken by people as indications of a group of people who just really don't give a shit about it. My belief (or maybe hope) is that they were just grossly negligent (which presents it's own very large issues).
My stance is I will wait until everything is known before I make judgements. I will not assume anything, no matter how clear it may appear. If things surface that show the university purposely hid things to win games or Miller had intent I will be as outraged as anyone. I will not trust sources of information that profit off making assumptions for their financial benefit. I will not seek to ruin a kids life before everything is known entirely