It’s not really a street circuit. It’s a stand alone track that’s located on an island. Getting into and out of the island on race day is insanity.
Sounds like 50/50 on Charles having to take a grid penalty this week due to new PU parts. Glad we have another race this weekend, already disliking off weeks
Really looking forward to Canada and Japan. Seems like they’re both consensus a lot of Fun and I haven’t been able to see them because of Covid
F1 will change the rules. It will happen here at some point. Going to suck for RB but its every driver in the field at this point. And I know I talked shit about George but he reps the drivers. His voice is large in this conversation.
Raise your ride height or fix your ride. Red Bull has shown it’s possible to mitigate the air stalling issue with their floor. I remember hearing how on top of this Mercedes was a month ago and how merc was back. Sucks the 8 time WCC whiffed on the new Regs and delivered a bouncing tractor this season
I’m not saying they should necessarily change the regs, but this idea that it is just Mercedes is disingenuous at best. I understand why they are the easy target because they are the most vocal about it (plus the worlds smallest violin), but Sainz, Ocon, Gasly, Magnussen, & Ricciardo have all come out against the porpoising issues as well.
It must suck ass, but there's obviously a technical solution to it (and one that doesn't involve sacrificing pace, at that). I'm the furthest thing from an RB fan but it would be bullshit to force them to give up the solution to that problem because the other teams can't figure their shit out.
Agree. You don't want bouncing? Then raise your ride height until your engineers figure out a better solution. Everyone on the grid can fix their porpoising tomorrow if they really wanted to.
What a weird response considering I just highlighted 5 different non Mercedes drivers/teams all saying the same thing. People just can’t get over the Mercedes aspect because they are the easiest to make fun of. Also, Ferrari has been joint fastest all year and they bounce like crazy. It’s not simply a case of build a car that doesn’t porpoise and you have a fast car.
Maybe so. My only argument has been that it’s disingenuous to paint this as a solely Mercedes issue. Sure, there is some pretty transparent self interest in their lobbying, but they aren’t the only ones. Their is some precedent in the past regarding regulation changes due to team lobbying (party mode & DAS); ultimately, if anything does change it probably won’t happen until the off-season. It would be too unfair to Red Bull otherwise.
The whining is hilarious. Oh no! Our millions of dollars have engineered us into a corner! Alpine and RB have figured it out… everyone else should too. If they’re so worried about driver safety then raise the ride height and suck it up until you find a better fix. Refusing to raise ride height renders all other arguments invalid. You’re cars are simply not fast/safe enough, fix it or live with it.
That’s kinda their MO. FIA seems to change things to make it more fair. Last year they changed the regs that directly affected the Merc’s cars rake and they had to completely redo things.
Guys… what’s missing in the argument in the thread is this isn’t the TEAMS asking for change. They all voted against it. This is coming from the drivers. It’s literally teams vs drivers and drivers are going to end up winning in the end.
I get the drivers being upset over it. It looks painful af. I also get that it's unfair to RB to make a change that would negatively affect them. The best solution imo is to only allow X amount of porpoising or you get Y penalty. Idk how they can measure but I assume they can. If that means Merc and others have to raise their car to get it legal until they figure it out, so be it. That looks out for drivers and doesn't penalize RB.
Saw this but forgot to post it. Max surpassed vettel last weekend as the RB driver with the most podiums with 66
That's pretty crazy given how many world titles Seb has and how long RB was king of F1. Max really does maximize (no pun intended) his race weekends.
Max has raced in 8 more races for RB than Seb did. Not discounting the accomplishment as 4 of those years Seb was completely dominant, whereas Max was the underdog against Merc.
40 out of 50 seems like major props to the reliability of RB. Finishing 38 of those 40 on a podium speaks to his absurd skill level as a driver.
Guys…The change to the regulations isn’t going to be something technical that somehow changes the car design. It’s going to be something simple like “A car that subjects their driver to consistent vertical Gs in excess of xx throughout the course of the race will be disqualified.” That simple. Fix it or force to raise the height.
I'm the furthest thing from an engineer, but what if they unbanned the damper that Renault made in the mid-2000s? Would that stop the bouncing?
Correct… I believe the race commentators said that Lewis was getting 5gs worth of force up his tailbone every time his car would fully bottom out on those bounces. What you said is exactly what the FIA will put in place for and teams will adjust. Right now the teams are buying time trying to figure out a fix and be fast so they are dragging this shit out.
yep - which is why Red Bull won’t lose their advantage…they’re already managing the proposing better than others so it won’t really impact them when it happens
https://www.racefans.net/2022/06/16...ctive-to-reduce-porpoising-on-safety-grounds/ The FIA has today issued a technical directive to teams advising them it will conduct more detailed inspections of the designs of their cars’ floors and how they wear during sessions. It also promised to set a limit on the vertical movement of cars, to prevent drivers experiencing an unacceptably painful ride and risking injury. This limit will be set in consultation with F1’s teams.