Better Call Saul thread

Discussion in 'TV Board' started by Sterling A, Apr 8, 2015.

  1. laxjoe

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  2. racer

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    Maybe we get nacho flashbacks the rest of the season ala Chuck.
     
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  3. Truman

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    The Better Call Saul Insider podcast is so damn interesting. It's more about how they make the show than actual discussion about it.

    It blows my mind how compartmentalized everything is. Show writers have no idea how things are filmed. Actors never watch the episodes or film ect. Shit is shot all out of order. Craziness.
     
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  5. racer

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    The world met Saul Goodman on this day 13 years ago.
     
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  6. Craig Pettis

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    (I think he was definitely talking about Victor)
     
  7. laxjoe

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    I mean, 100% he was not talking about nacho :laugh:

    Love both shows, but nacho was nothing but a random mention at this point, and even up to Season 1 was not going to be an integral part of bcs. So no, he wasn’t talking about nacho
     
  8. Pelican

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    They’re all great. Today’s was especially good. Gotta be cool for Michael Mando to be getting all this praise for an episode he’s yet to watch.
     
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  9. NCHusker

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    Damn that was a badass way for Nacho to go out
     
  10. CMoney128

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    One of the more heartbreaking eps of the series, but Nacho went out like a king. I guess that at least I can tell myself that he's already been around way longer than originally intended
     
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  11. racer

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    Makes sense that they needed people like Nacho and Chuck to drive the stories of the main characters, but they clearly don’t have a place in BB, so they need to start clearing them out to make the space. Kim feels the same, but Rhea is too big of a player in this show to lose early, IMO.
     
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  12. racer

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    Michael Mando called this his last episode, so I guess Nacho is 100% finished in the season. Hopefully Papa gets out.
     
  13. DrTomOsbourne

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    I was so fucking high last night.

    I just went to the Better Call Saul page on YouTube TV and clicked the first video thinking it was the next episode.

    Instead, I watched this.



    All of it. And I thought it was the intro to this week's episode and I almost cried with how amazing it was. I just couldn't believe it.

    Then it ended and I realized I was VERY baked.
     
  14. laxjoe

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    Hahaha.
    Watched that a couple of weeks ago. It was a fun little ep. Also reintroduced the kettlemans, which was timely reminder
     
  15. Gunners

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    Was the original plan to escape the ropes with the broken bottle then get shot?

    Remember Hector can’t really communicate so don’t think they’ll make Nacho’s dad a storyline and he may very well be only 1 besides Gus’ crew that ever knows he lives
     
  16. Pelican

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    Mike told him to to run as fast as he can at Victor (while zip-tied) and then Victor would put him down.
     
  17. Gunners

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    The broken bottle was in the beginning and the end plus his hands were bleeding

    Was there a plan for Mike and Nacho to kill everyone or am I crazy
     
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  18. Pelican

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    No I think the plan was just for Nacho to die by Gus's men. He just went off course a bit and found a different way to reach the same result. I guess I'm not sure if the glass was a part of the original plan or not. I know Mike didn't mention it when he went over the plan with him.
     
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  19. Pelican

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    Actually now that I think about it the glass definitely wasn't a part of the plan. After Gus and Mike walked out it showed Nacho looking down into the trashcan noticing that Gus left the glass shards in there.
     
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  20. Corch

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    Love Nacho.

    Excited to see Gilligan wrap this up masterfully and would like to see him get outside the BB universe and do other cool stuff
     
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    If you’re the Salamanca’s, do you wonder why if Nacho was a part of that other crew (Alvarez?) why he didn’t kill Bolsa. Killing Bolsa before himself makes the most sense in that case. Killing Bolsa makes no sense if you’re Gus’s guy because it makes Gus’s world much murkier. Maybe I’m over reading it but that seems like the type of thing Gus would recognize.
     
  22. racer

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    Add on how Gus just magically snagged this guy out from underneath them. Lalo is the only Salamanca left with half a brain, and he still isn’t back around.
     
  23. enjj

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    Great episode. Seems like they stumbled onto a great character in Nacho. Wish his path had been different but they wrapped it up perfectly.
     
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  24. Quailman

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    Thought it felt weird that Nacho spoke English to Hector instead of Spanish in that last scene. Regardless, great scene and episode
     
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  25. Corch

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    Good point
     
  26. laxjoe

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    Listening to a podcast and they just talked about that. They theorized they did that so he has a better Emmy reel, which kind of makes sense
     
  27. Quailman

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    That does make sense. I just remember all their other interactions being in Spanish, so it felt a little off
     
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  28. laxjoe

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    It did for sure
     
  29. Craig Pettis

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    Nacho and Hector speak English to each other all the time. In fact, almost exclusively.
     
  30. Craig Pettis

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    I don’t think Gus knew about the shard of glass, I think that’s something that either Nacho came up with himself or Mike and Nacho schemed up alone to ensure a quick and painless death. The supposed plan was for him to be zip tied and try to escape, and Victor would cap him. My interpretation is that Mike and Nacho didn’t trust 1) Gus to stick to his word and not turn Nacho over to the Salamancas if push came to shove, or 2) for Victor to be able to hit a clean headshot on a moving target. I think Mike came along as insurance so that if all else failed he could have given Nacho a clean, painless death.

    As to why Nacho didn’t shoot Bolsa, my only theory is that he was worried if he shot Bolsa either the twins or Victor or Tyrus would disable him before he could shoot himself, leaving him in the unenviable position of being wounded and handed over to the Salamancas.
     
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  31. NCHusker

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    I think it was mostly just Nacho seizing an opportunity to go out on his own terms a little
     
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    so weird how little he works. I remember thinking he was great on Orphan Black too, but other than Saul and a minor part in Spider-Man Homecoming I haven't see him in much else.
     
  33. zeberdee

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    Nacho being handed over to the Salamancas alive is the worst thing that could ever happen to Gus.
     
  34. enjj

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    The way Mike reacted at Nacho taking his life and the way he started to pack up his body language didn’t seem like this was part of his plan.
     
  35. racer

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    Combo of this and he didn’t kill Bolsa because that guaranteed Papa gets it.
     
  36. zeberdee

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    so you think Mike intended for Nacho to survive?

    he’s not that naive imo and Nacho gave himself up to protect his father in the first place. why would he then try to escape?
     
  37. zeberdee

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    I think Mike’s reaction was simply seeing a friend die. a young guy who probably made Mike think about his son.
     
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    No I think he knew Nacho was going to die but was surprised it went down the way it did. Mike was there for insurance in case things didn’t go to plan.
     
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  39. laxjoe

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    Everyone knew nacho was going to die (including nacho).
     
  40. UCFkc123

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    shooting Bolsa would have negated Nachos deal with Gus to not come after his father, I think.
     
  41. racer

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    I’m imagining a world where BCS stands alone and nacho offs Bolsa then Mike/Fring’s guys take out the cousins and it’s Gus v Lalo for sole control of Eladio’s US operations. Nacho may live. He may not.
     
  42. racer

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    So thinking about the origin of the Nacho and Lalo characters. When Walt and Jesse take Saul out to the desert he is under the impression Lalo is alive.

    Currently in BCS he thinks Lalo is dead. That means he will definitely learn otherwise, probably very soon in BCS. Probably in a scary way. He was basically ratting out Nacho when he thought it was Lalo’s guys that had him, so he definitely learns Nacho was involved in the compound raid at some point.
    Lalo is too big of a figure in the Slamancas at this point to make it out of BCS alive and leave ABQ alone. That wouldn’t jive. He’s likely going to get got, but Jimmy isn’t going to be aware of it. And if it’s Gus who does it then why leave Hector, Tuco, and the twins behind?
    We have 10 hours to cover 4+ years, probably less because we’re likely going to visit gene for at least an hour in there. This is going to be a wild ride.
     
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    Annoying the fuck out of me, obviously.

    (Fr this is a persistent gripe I have about the two shows - shots like this are tedious, waste time, and needlessly indulgent.) :crossedarms:
     
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    Kinda like this post
     
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    That ^^^ really doesn't change it for me.
     
  47. nexus

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    holy shit what an outrageously audacious and dreadful opinion
     
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    Sorry I don't dig slow developing pans across landscape that don't initially have any immediate connection to plot development and that when their meaning becomes more clear to me after the fact I don't necessarily find it a particularly compelling payoff. :idk:

    A slightly different version of my frustration arises when they use a similarly paced shot and the meaning of it becomes clear within the first 15 seconds. BB was particularly annoying with this tbh.
     
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  49. NCHusker

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    To each their own. I enjoy those aspects of the show and don't find them tedious at all
     
  50. user15000

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    It’s not particularly clever to write an episode where he breaks out of a zip tie with a glass shard and then go “gee we should start the episode with a long drawn out shot of the glass shard.” Like we get it…you know the ending of the episode and we don’t. That doesn’t make showing us a sliver of the ending with no context clever.

    /I really like this show.
     
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