John McCain went from darling to pariah with one vote. One vote that the president didn’t like and he was done.
I never said otherwise. I completely agree. My main point is that a bachelors degree shouldn’t be a requirement or an indication of superiority that a lot of people place on it though.
This is a philosophical question on the reason for education. I will never subscribe to it being job training. We live in a democracy where people need to be educated on things that impact their vote. That doesn't work if education is just to become a worker bee at the alter of capitalism. Education isn't a means to an end. It's a pursuit for its own sake. And that shouldn't be limited to people of means. That's not what anyone is saying.
And just to clarify, I mean that they shouldn’t be viewed as a pathway to success at all - let alone the only one. They very well may be that for some people, but that shouldn’t be seen as the reason that they exist.
Yeah, blame corporate power for sublimating it from a means of empowerment and resistance to job criterion.
Par for the course in a society controlled by the people imo. Just what you do, like learning to read.
-You need to go to college -Why -To get a good job -Why -To make money -Why -To buy stuff -OK? Where is actual learning in this whole line of thought?
nowhere which is the point. can’t organize a challenge to an unjust and stupid society if you’re debt laden and working to be able to work.
It's funny because all the attacks by republicans make democrats sound way cooler than they actually are, which is mostly a group of impotent geriatrics.
Ok. “ Education isn't a means to an end. It's a pursuit for its own sake. And that shouldn't be limited to people of means.” 100 percent agree. This argument comes up fairly often on here. I also don’t disagree that postsecondary education should be more than just about job training, but there again, I believe that the postsecondary education should provide you with the knowledge and skills to get and keep a job. There are too many students in massive amounts of debt with a bachelors degree because they chose a major that is unneeded in the real world. I see programs proposed all of the time that tout 3 -5 potential graduates over a five year span. That’s asinine in my opinion. I just get defensive with I perceive posters are saying that the promotion of “trade” school is a bad thing for society. Again? I understand the framing of that belief, and I’ve argued many times on here that technical colleges are not for everyone, nor should they be only promoted as options for low-income or underserved students.
Don't know about all this. This is a common right wing attack for something that otherwise isn't really grounded in fact. Or at the very least limits the scope of the explanation to fit a narrative.
Stuff is so fucking overrated. I recently got rid of a lot of mine and I feel much better for it being gone. People should copy the Trump administration policy towards regulations but swap out stuff for regulations. If you want to get a new thing, you have to get rid of two old things. You’ll be happier and it makes more sense than doing it with federal regulations, too.
Have these fucking dumbasses not learned anything holy shit. Obama is 10x more charismatic than basically anyone in congress and the republicans Willy wonka’d his ass on the ACA everything. Alexa play despacito this shit sucks ass
I never want to spew a right wing talking point, but how many people do you know that had trouble finding a job within their major upon completion of their bachelors degree? Or who are not working in their field of study?
Not many. But practically everything is a business degree unless you go into teaching/accounting/engineering or go to grad school. Doesn't make their field of study or education less important.
You’ve spotted a problem but are proposing the absolute wrong solution. The solution isn’t to stop paying for those degrees - it’s for us to pay for all degrees. Let people get educated in the topics they find interesting without necessitating that that pursuit results in drawing a paycheck that can offset the cost of education + bankers’ profits. Happy educated people leaving school without debt can then pursue any path that pleases them - utilizing the knowledge and skills they gained in school or not.
While you’re right in the practical sense with how our society is now, I find this paragraph has the beliefs “college isn’t job training” and “pick a major that will get you a job” to be wholly at odds with each other. There’s so many jobs out there that require a bachelor’s just because they can and not because there’s specialized knowledge needed.
I like to watch the Alaska reality shows on NatGeo where most people live subsistence lives (I'm sure some is BS scripted/funded). Outside of -30° temps, that seems like paradise.
And then when they are working adults they're less likely to fall for insane bullshit and will be better functioning members of society.
we shouldn’t use tax payer money for private schools. Loan forgiveness is good I don’t know how I feel about it for private schools.
It's no coinkidink that millennials are the most educated generation in the history of the United States and that they also feel a certain way politically. And gen z is right there, also.
like its destruction and replacement with a dictatorship of the proletariat for the freedom of all :3
Fair but I’d contend the education our tradesmen get from listening to Joe Rogan is much better than the liberal cesspools known as universities!
but way more Gen z are foregoing college to be like micro finance get rich quick scam guys because of what we’ve done to college. Gonna have a real clueless generation soon.
Loan forgiveness is something that should be independent of where the person went to school. The debt is the problem - not the name on the piece of paper. Moving forward, the government should pay for public schools. Rich dipshits and giant endowments can keep private schools afloat all they want. Once the government is out of the student loan biz, that problem gets sorted pretty quickly imo.
Again, I never said otherwise. I completely agree. Postsecondary education should be free. Not only tuition, but other “hidden” costs and aid for other barriers to completion. I didn’t propose anything to the contrary.
Who needs college? I can stream speed runs of ET for the Atari 2600 on twitch and make bank. If that falls through, I’ll do makeup tutorials on tiktok and become a professional influencer.
I said college should be more than just job training, not that it isn’t job training. In an ideal world, you get both job training in a field that results in a good job, but also “soft” skills.
Thing is, they mostly already do. Just because you go to school to do a thing doesn't mean you come out competent.
thank you That’s the irony. It was a good proxy for competence when it involved reflection, well rounded liberal arts, communication skills, and critical thinking. Making it a means to an end stripped the motive to do that. Instrumental rationality.