Yeah if the other side of the house ever wins I think Clay or Shelli will be the target. Once one of them leaves then Vanessa will be in trouble. But I don't see anybody on that side winning much.
Find her annoying or not, it's because Vanessa has positioned herself into a place where she can influence big moves in her favor without having any blood on her hands. It seems like, if you ask most players who they "really" think they can trust, then they will answer Vanessa. The plan didn't work out perfectly, but she convinced her largest alliance to try to throw a comp so she is not HoH, she still gets the eviction she wants, and there would have been ZERO blame or betrayal at her feet. Now she has apparently convinced the house to go after Jason instead, which benefits her her game and will result in very little backlash. I don't think she is a Derrick-level player at this point, but she is making some great plays that show she is thinking three or four moves ahead.
I think most of the house thinks Shelli has had a hand in all of the evictions so far (which she has). Additionally, a few of the things Audrey has been saying about Clay and Shelli, being in multiple larger alliances, are starting to seem believable when the others were just discrediting Audrey because she is Audrey. Vanessa somehow has been able to shift a lot of the blame off her to Shelli. Shelli also made the mistake of claiming she didn't know about the Jason blindside when Vanessa was telling people that Clay and Shelli knew about it.
Van stayed HoH is pretty much the answer. If she was to back door Austin, he would then go tell the other side of the house all of the secrets that Van, Shelli, and Clay have. He will spill it all about the Six Sense, setting up Jeff with the fake argument, etc. It would put a giant target on all of their backs. So instead of doing that, they decided to just keep him for a vote and get Jason out. It's the smartest move possible for them but especially for Van since Shelli took all of the heat for the move.
Yeah, probably Vanessa playing a bit too quickly and starting to intimidate people by demonstrating strong strategic analysis. Derrick would have made that chess game last over an hour against Caleb last year.
motherfuckers, wasted 10 minutes looking for this thread on the other board before I remembered there was a TV board.
Austin trying to kiss Liz was so pathetic. Not sure if telling everyone in the house that you're falling in love with her is more pathetic though. But damn that whole 5 minutes they showed with Austin and Liz laying in bed and Austin kissing her and doing whatever he was doing, was unwatchable and awkward as fuck. I hate Steve. What a weird fuck. Why was he so happy to see Becky upset? Just bizarre. I don't understand why Vanessa didn't replace Clay with Steve. I don't think anyone would've cared like they do with Jason. Now the entire house is angry at her, but if she just nominated Steve, ho hum.
Much like "everyone" wanting Austin out but that not benefiting Vanessa, getting rid of Steve would be the same. He is a strong ally of hers; it would be foolish to get rid of him for her game. I also think she trusts his critical thinking more than anyone else in the house. He is the one that truly convinced Vanessa not to turn on Austin it seemed. His social game is awful, but he is useful to her.
Yeah, Jason should only get 3 votes to save him at most (at least as of Sunday - I haven't followed much since post veto meeting): James, Meg, and Jackie. Steve or Austin could be dumb enough to throw another hinky vote in there, but that has burned most people so far.
I'd like this 10x if I could, and couldn't agree more. This was Vanessa's worst move I think, and I think they may have overthought Jason's game playing ability, or at least how much he's done thus far.
I would agree with you if she took the heat from the move. She deflected it all to Shelli and came out of it looking clean with everyone sans Jackie.
If Vanessa didn't act so ridiculous and try to have such a "strong word", she wouldn't even be in this trouble. Trying to shake everyone's hand and make a huge deal out of it. Stupid.
I don't think putting Jason up was stupid at all. I think it was her best move possible. Jason knows how the game is played and would have become a threat very soon to her game. Now their side will have 6 plus Steve, who Vanessa has in her pocket (they haven't revealed this on the CBS broadcast). So even if there is one of them on the block, they will always have the numbers now. It will be interesting to see which threesome of the six will turn on the others first, though.
Y'all really think Austin will stay loyal? He only said that to make it another week. Now that he knows he was on the block, this alliance extremely is fragile at best. I don't see it lasting much longer.
His back is up against the wall. The other side of the house sees him as a physical threat and he's in a showmance with Liz. His best shot is to stay with the 6 and hope that Julia doesn't fuck him over when she becomes HoH eventually. Then again, this is Austin and he's awful at BB so who knows what he'll do.
Uhhhh...because he's a dentist? They only mentioned it like 3 times in that segment alone. Not to mention like once a week before last night.
nice. was kind of hoping someone from the 'other' side of the house would win this week to make things interesting
James and Shelli were the final 2 and made a deal before she dropped, but it looks like she is the backdoor target this week.
I love how they abandoned the BOTB in the middle of the season and tried to use the twins entering the house for the reason. They ditched it because it failed for 1.5 seasons and didn't work at all how they thought it would.
So I noticed they didn't do a BB takeover last week. Do you think they might be ditching it bc of people not crazy about it and saying it's too easy for them to control the game?
It just caused the comps to not matter. People are throwing the HoH comp more than ever because you get blood on your hands and still can get evicted after winning HoH. The HoHs just get people to throw the BOTB and try to not pick your target to play in the veto comp. People are being back doored more than ever because you can't give your target 2 chances to take themselves down. The only comp that matters is the veto. They thought it would cause clashes between the HoHs but that will never happen because they are afraid of being ousted and back doored.
I think part of it was that they didn't need a twist every week this year. This cast has been awesome and have been able to carry the show without the takeovers.
one thing I am glad there hasnt been much of this year is the weekly unanimous votes becasuse 'thats what the house wants'.