Did you want just one or...? Barstool’s main Twitter account shared a video in which Portnoy sang the N-word during “The Rundown,” a Fox Sports reporter told racist jokes while Portnoy, Katz, and Clancy chortled [Portnoy] said that anyone who blocked traffic while protesting state-sanctioned violence and the racist policing of African Americans “deserves to die a horrible gruesome slow death,” and “Not enough bad things can happen to these people. I want them all harassed, dead, murdered.”
You guys just don’t get it. Most of them are extremely liberal which is why the comments were like 50% Pepe memes.
Again, not looking to do this all day. But the very site you're posting on has a far more racist past than barstool sports. That's just a fact.
Wait, you’re saying the comment section at Barstool was less racist than TMB (which was definitely racist by the way).
Barstool has been very apolitical during the black lives protests, yes. I don't think thats coincidental.
No one goes to barstool for the comment section. The comment section of virtually any website is an absolute cess pool of society. I'm saying that the content from barstool itself is significantly less racist than this site was just a few months ago.
You asked for examples, I provided several. This site was incredibly racist but the commentS section on barstool was worse. Not to mention the reach and influence of Barstool far exceeds TMB
That is an apples and oranges comparison. No one on this message board is paid. There's no official TMB articles. We have no editors.
even if that were true, we’ve cleaned up the entire board barstool has a right wing misogynist as its leader
She wasn't a barstool employee. She was a guest on the show. How were they supposed to know she was going to say that?
Talk about moving the goalposts. You asked for examples and you now have several. do we have your permission to see barstool as racially edgy now?
I'm a consumer of content of both sites. Having that first hand knowledge of both sites, I can definitively say that tmb was more racist. Yet you guys, having still been a part of this site during that time, call anyone who likes barstool a chud and don't see the irony in that. That's all.
Why are anonymous commenters so much different than anonymous message board posters? Seems like those two are way more similar than anonymous TMB posters and paid Barstool contributors.
You said the barstool comments are off limits, so you're comparing a lightly moderated message board to a professionally curated and edited website with paid staff.
Gets a little old being grouped in with maga chuds over something so stupid. If liking barstool makes you a maga chud, then you almost have to say the same thing about being a TMB poster. You can't point to a few examples in barstool's history and then say that the history of this site doesn't count. I don't believe liking either site makes you a maga chud, for the record. I think both sites have featured some dumb shit over the years, but both are now overall fairly liberal and have worked to remove the worst voices in their fanbases.
I'm comparing what you go to the site for. You visit this site to consume message board posts. No one goes to barstool for the comment section. So I was basing my comparison on why one would visit the site in the first place.
And yet several of us were calling out the racism and shitty posters on the site for years. Since 2016, we’ve had a 6000 page thread on how awful Trump and republicans are. How do you think that would go over on Barstool when you have Don Jr tweeting out SAFTB and Portnoy making multiple appearance on Tucker Carlson’s white supremacist power hour?
You just said that Barstool’s comment sections don’t count because every internet comments section is a cesspool, when TMB is literally entirely a comments section.
user wes tegg admittedly likes barstool content but you don’t see him getting offended by everything we say and giving us an entire written history of the barstool site the way you’re defending it would lead me to believe you are in fact a church, while i don’t believe wes tegg is
I know nothing about barstool, at all, but I do listen to PMT and Spittin Chiclets. I've never been to barstool proper or follow any of their content on social media. How bad of a person am I on a scale of 1 - Blackterno ?
-confidently says anyone who thinks barstool is casually racist is full of shit - gets several examples - starts grasping at straws, brings up Tmbs past, and attempts to explain why those incidents arent on barstool fukkin lol. If someone feels like they can come on your show and say racist shit, whats that say about you? And if you laugh it off instead of condemn it, what does that say about you? bitch probably expected a job offer
Glad to know you're the moral arbitrator here on appropriate levels of fandom. I'll keep that in mind moving forward.
Do you hold every media outlet to the same standard that you hold barstool to? Got a feeling that you still consume ESPN content and Lord knows they've had some incidents too.
ShuPoor and others have explained why it’s different. At the end of the day, even if you don’t believe there are any racist elements at Barstool, you’re still ignoring the pervasive online harassment and misogyny that remains to this day. I’m not saying you or anyone else can’t enjoy it. I’m just pointing out that the site and those dudes are shitty Also, your whataboutism is really odd on this subject.
Agree to disagree. I think big cat, pft, chaps, Kate, Trent, rone, ria & fran, are all genuinely good people. I think too many people conflate barstool with just Dave. Judging an entire brand on just the morality of the CEO is going to leave you with not a whole lot of options for entertainment, if that's what we're doing here.
When I do, I'm told I'm justifying it. No win situation here, so why bother. I still stand by the fact that most of the questionable statements come from Dave and I think barstool is much bigger than Dave at this point. It's like saying that all Clemson fans/supporters are racist because of Dabo. You can condemn the actions of the CEO while still supporting what you do like about the brand. At the end of the day, we're just not going to agree on this and that's ok too.
then don't ask someone to go find examples then radio silent when they do. it shows you're just running defense for ??? reasons.
I didn't go radio silent. I began to address them, starting with the most obvious one being that one of the examples wasn't even a barstool employee. I got shit on for it and it made me realize that it doesn't matter what I say, your minds are made up.
im gonna agree to disagree too but only one of my 4 examples was a non Barstool employee. The others were direct comments. They were pretty irrefutable. You challenged me to find any example of casual racism and it took all of 30 seconds. Again, I thought and continued to think that their awful treatment of women and their mobilization of the online army to target critics is abhorrent. Do I think every employee and reader/listener is a racist/sexist, obviously not. But I personally can’t stomach this as “entertainment” or dismiss the worst actions of the site as “satire” and it bums me out that others do.
That's completely fair. I do not condone a lot of the shit in barstool's history. Just like I don't condone what this board used to be. If you look at my profile, I'm probably one of the few posters here that has been here since 2009 and has less than 3000 posts. Thats because this board was fairly unbearable for a while there. I feel that both sites have evolved significantly to a point that I feel comfortable consuming content from both now.
I’m personally not a racist, but my fans and supporters, boy, let me tell you, quite racist. Which is no one’s fault really. Just the way of the world.
To be fair, there’s a several hundred page thread on this board dedicated to harass someone and a pretty pervasive theme of misogyny throughout. I agree with you that it’s an apples-to-oranges comparison for a number of reasons, but membership on this board would be pretty embarrassing for most of us if certain threads were pulled without any context.
Ronald Savage is the one I was talking about, but there have been several (Gutta Bitch, Rubley, the Bama porn guy, etc.).
Using the N-word is inexcusable, the other two comments were clearly tongue in cheek. I don’t judge jokes the same way I do someone expressing their personal beliefs; I realize other people don’t and get offended more easily. The website is comedy-driven and they’ve certainly stepped in it on more than one occasion trying to get people to laugh. Dave especially does this because he goes off the cuff and isn’t well informed on a lot of issues, the Fauci and protesting stuff are good examples. I don’t agree with his views on those two topics and I don’t think anyone 100% condones everything that they put out, but in general their job is to entertain and make people laugh. As they grow and time goes on, it’s certainly harder to avoid touching political subjects since everything continues to get more intertwined and sports/pop culture become more politically driven. I think the way Lyrtch described someone in another thread: is a good description of most the people that follow Barstool on here. There’s definitely a good section of the fan base that’s conservative, frat-bro type, but you could say the same about any college football program and that doesn’t seem to stop anyone here from watching/rooting for their team.
i find the idea Portnoys behavior is an act absurd the most generous explanation is he cranks up his own beliefs 10% to create a veil for defenders and himself to use to dodge responsibility fwiw its a very privileged (and white) point of view to be able to hold that stance. so it fits with the general stereotype of stoolies that way as well. when you're insulated (or think you are) from political ramifications them selling MAGA hats is a lot easier to stomach.
again though, dont think all stoolies are chud trash, its just maybe the most high profile example thats in my wheelhouse of something people have started writing about regarding game-ification and lifestyle brands so it's endlessly interesting fandom has expanded far beyond sports but the behavior is being nurtured in similar ways. making brands competitive not just between companies but fan bases. success of your lifestyle brand means your identity is successful in a sort of parasocial relationship dynamic.