Detroit Red Wings: Priority Waste - Our Sponsor and Our Defense Core

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  1. DeToxRox

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    Probably save a lot of it for bad contracts.

    We are currently like 14 mil from the cap floor. Bertuzzi and Mantha should take up 12 mil or so, and then a goalie would put us over the floor. That still gives us 18-20 mil to spend, but we shouldn’t just spend to spend.
     
  2. DetroitNole

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    Go take that 2nd rd pick to get MAF cap hit now
     
  3. DeToxRox

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    I am still not discounting us making an offer sheet. It wouldn’t be to a Sergachev or Cirelli, but a solid mid tier guy. Like Poluck or DeBrusk.
     
  4. DeToxRox

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    But I would also consider giving up every conceivable first round pick to sign Barzal to a 7x11 deal.
     
  5. hoss2183

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    Toronto has their D with Brodie, STL has Krug now

    Vegas has to be major favorites for Pietrangelo. Vegas just needs to find a spot for MAF and Wings can take on the cash and get a pick. A 2nd rounder has to be the floor
     
  6. DeToxRox

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    The more I think about the lineup as we currently stand, the more I think we benefit by rolling with Bert, Larkin and Zadina and then Mantha, Gagner and Ryan. Mantha and Larkin are our two best play drivers, so I think it makes sense to separate them, at least to start the year
     
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  9. DeToxRox

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    I wonder if we claim Johnson and then trade him with salary retention to a place he wants to go. I don’t know why we couldn’t just do a three team trade, but I can’t handle the galaxy brain thinking.
     
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  11. DetroitNole

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    A 30 year old declining Johnson with that contract and getting nothing to take it, seems a bad use of our cap space
     
  12. The Banks

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    Dont downplay the number of terrible GMs in the league.
     
  13. hoss2183

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    I don’t think you’re picking up the theory here. The Wings wouldn’t take the player and his contract.

    I think the implication would be trading him back to Tampa with salary retained or some other side deal that nets Detroit assets. Nothing from today or past comments from Yzerman leads us to believe he wants a 30 year old with four years left on a contract that is a significant overpay.
     
  14. The Banks

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    I’m not sure who you are talking to but I understand that possibility
     
  15. hoss2183

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    not you
     
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  16. DeToxRox

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    Thoughts from the toilet

    - Steve has earned a really solid B+ so far this offseason. I’m not sure an A is even possible, because in my eyes that will require a team dumping significant assets for a bad deal. I think teams are gun shy after that Marleau deal last season.

    - So far, we have added three guys on prove it deals (Staal, Ryan and Merrill) that will make us more functional than last year, but should still provide us assets at the deadline. We also finally got rid of E, Howard and Abby, which is addition by subtraction. Even with these moves, we still have the weakest roster in the league at this point in time.

    - Our first four draft picks were all high ceiling, exceptionally talented players. Doesn’t mean they will reach their ceiling, but long gone are the days of drafting high floor, low ceiling players (the 2017 draft alone cost us a year in the rebuild for that very reason)

    - There is still a long time left in this off season, so this grade can change for better or for worse, but so far so good.

    - Lastly, since 2020 will be another brutal year, I thought it would be fun to look at the 2021 lineup, as it stands today. My thought is to only slot players I feel confident make next years roster as it stands today

    Zadina- Larkin - Raymond
    Bertuzzi - TBD - Mantha
    Rasmussen - Veleno - Fabbri
    Smith - Nielsen - TBD/TBD

    It wouldn’t shock me if Raymond started in GR, but for now I think he wins an opening night spot on the roster.

    Adding a 2C will be massive over the next two seasons.

    Guys like Timashov and Svech will get a chance to make a case to come back in 2021. I think Yzerman likes having some grit so I give Smith an edge over them at this point.

    DeKeyser - Hronek
    TBD - Seider
    TBD - Lindstrom

    Cholowski and McIssac will probably both have a shot to make the team, but we will add a LD. Wouldn’t shock me if it ended up being Merrill with an extension.

    TBD
    TBD

    Whoever we sign in net this summer will get a multiple year deal. Bernier probably gets dealt this deadline.
     
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  17. DetroitNole

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    2 year deal



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  20. DeToxRox

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  22. DetroitNole

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    Thank goodness, I was worried we might do it
     
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  23. DeToxRox

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    Time to dig on Tampa. Get a first and a third for Johnson.
     
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    Might start thinking about how we pencil him into the lineup you came up with.
     
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  25. DeToxRox

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    Yep. I figured he would need a full year in the A, but if he ends up close to a PPG in a full SHL season, all bets are off
     
  26. DetroitNole

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    They'd have to eat some of his money. Even for a first that contract is too big for me to want to eat it. Id prefer just stay away from him. He also has a NMC I believe so he could reject it
     
  27. DeToxRox

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    They can’t afford to retain money. The benefit to us landing him now is he’s a PNW kid, with a big deal. He’s prime for Seattle to take in the expansion draft.
     
  28. DetroitNole

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    But again, no NHL team wanted him for free. If you're Seattle why would you want him over a guy like Lindstrom or others we would have unprotected.

    He is a declining player with a big contract with years left on it. I really hope we stear the fuck clear.

    Now if they want to send us Sergachev rights, maybe we have something different
     
  29. DeToxRox

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    League below SHL. Still absurd.
     
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  30. The Banks

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    League below the SHL is the Allsvenskan. Those guys are playing in the CHL of Sweden.
     
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  32. DeToxRox

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  34. hoss2183

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    Best of the bunch there
     
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  35. DetroitNole

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    Turnover on defense plus Greiss for Howard could be a hell of an improvement on defensive side. Much needed because that was abysmal last year
     
  36. Vinegar Strokes

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    Are we still bad enough to finish in bottom 5 next year?
     
  37. DeToxRox

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    Yes. It’ll be an upset if we aren’t one of the five worst teams next season.
     
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  38. DetroitNole

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    There was such a large gap between us and second worst last year, but replacing the dead weight in Howard and defense with who we've signed i think it puts us in mix with the other bad teams. Offense hasn't really improved unless top guys take a step forward. Bobby Ryan and subtracting some guys make it slightly better. I dont think we see as many games where we look like we don't belong on ice with the opponents this year, but I still think we aren't competing for playoffs.
     
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  39. spartanchuck

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    Instead of losing by 4 we’ll lose by 1
     
  40. DeToxRox

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  41. DeToxRox

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    That second goal

     
  42. DeToxRox

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    At this point I would hope we are looking to loan Cholowski. He needs a season in Finland or Sweden to get his game together.
     
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  43. DeToxRox

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    Lol at the end of the play

     
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  44. DeToxRox

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    Bert field for arbitration, but Mantha did not
     
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  45. Vinegar Strokes

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    I want us to go all in on Dougie Hamilton next year.
     
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  46. DeToxRox

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  47. DeToxRox

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  49. spartanchuck

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    If only all of our teams had a gm like yzerman.
     
  50. DeToxRox

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    New projected opening night roster

    Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha
    Fabbri - Namestikov - Zadina
    Timashov - Fil - Ryan
    Glendening - Nielsen - Gagner (Svech/Helm)

    DDK - Hronek
    Nemeth - Stetcher
    Merill - Biega

    Staal

    Bernier
    Greiss