Do you want Joe Biden to run for President in 2024?

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Do you want Joe Biden to run for President in 2024?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. NCHusker

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    the false equivalence of wanting to reign in the power of an undemocratic institution vs an explicitly white supremacist platform is astounding
     
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  2. NCHusker

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    It is authoritarian to want to make the United States more democratic by limiting the power of SCOTUS, apparently
     
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    I’m only on page 7 so sorry if this has already been brought up but

    Whammy you’re a stupid cunt buddy
     
  4. Daniel Ocean

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    But, he literally did.

    “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” Trump said, as he claimed the country was dispatching immigrants to the US. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us [sic]. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” He launched it with an anti immigrant bullhorn.

    You could argue that his political career began with his birther bullshit. “MAGA” is a racist platform “America First” is not a dog whistle it’s a bull horn. But, it not just trump many elected republicans are extremely racist. The two parties are nothing close. This is coming from someone who hates the democrats. Calling me democrat is an insult.
     
  5. Whammy

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    The executive branch ignoring the courts via non-enforcement is a one way path to Central America style despotism - lol at framing that as reform
     
  6. Whammy

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    Mhmmm
     
  7. Whammy

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    I’m sorry these words are uncomfortable for your world view
     
  8. Whammy

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    Institutions are as good as the people we put in them….ideally they generally move with the electorate and are generally responsive.

    How would you define a good institution?
     
  9. NCHusker

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    The past 40 years of SCOTUS jurisprudence have been specifically aimed at clawing rights away that were won during the FDR and Civil Rights eras. This is just a fact. Roe, Bivens, Miranda and many other landmark cases that protected the rights of the people have been consistently and deliberately chipped away at by the Court. These are conservative victories. You can't pretend reality is something that it isn't just because the narrative doesn't suit you.
     
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  10. NCHusker

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    What does abusing Senate majority leader power to stack the courts with unqualified partisans who have been deliberately recruited and groomed by a capitalist-backed conservative interest group lead to?
     
  11. Daniel Ocean

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    but no one is doing this. Surely, you understand the difference between a tweet and actual laws being passed?
     
  12. Lyrtch

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    this is false, institutions are only as good as they are constructed

    SCOTUS as constructed is bad, its power is outsized, its also filled with bad people appointed by people from OTHER broken institutions
     
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  13. bwi2

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    Affirmative Action
    Voting Rights Act
    Multiple campaign finance acts
    Clean Air Act
    Multiple gun regulations

    but they didn’t kill Obamacare that one time (barely)
     
  14. NCHusker

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    not to mention Bush v. Gore
     
  15. drewru

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    There is no doubt in my mind that he would gladly take it and 180 all the rhetoric
     
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  16. Mr. Bean

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    If you’re in favor of SCOTUS reform for the sake of making the US more democratic, do you also believe in transforming/pruning the administrative state? The bureaucracy is just as bad as SCOTUS in terms of its inertia toward (and defiance of) popular opinion. They still have yet to find a war they don’t like for the US to be involved in and the prevailing economic policies of our lifetimes have decimated the middle class and the economy as we knew it.
     
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  17. drewru

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    I mean, as LG, Fetterman also has the ability to refer the dude for early release so, I’d take his statements with a grain of salt
     
  18. drewru

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    Macron tho
     
  19. Lyrtch

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    feel like we agree on the former but disagree on the machinations of the latter
     
  20. Name P. Redacted

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    Bureaucracy in and of itself didn’t cause those outcomes.
     
  21. Daniel Ocean

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    At this point I’m going to assume Lyrtch was right about what he wrote about Whammy or that whammy is just fucking around how can you read these and thing the parties are anything alike


     
  22. Lyrtch

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    legislative branch abandoning its duties is the cause of a lot of this

    its all downstream from our archaic trashcan political system
     
  23. Mr. Bean

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    That’s why I’m proposing a reform thereof
    ftr I implicitly included the fed
     
  24. bwi2

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    I’d love to hear how the administrative state is responsible for waging war

    other than that time we invaded Iraq because DoD issued a notice of proposed rulemaking and Halliburton was the only commenter, so in we went

    To the extent that “the bureaucracy” is unresponsive to public opinion, that’s a strong reflection of the extreme difficulty of actually regulating between OMB controls and modern judicial review under the APA
     
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  25. Lyrtch

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    yeah I'm not really a fed truther type so yes we'd disagree there
     
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  26. Redav

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    Posters more interested in institutions than a just society is so fucking tone deaf.
     
  27. Daniel Ocean

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    yup. It’s why we are currently in this shitshow
     
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  28. Mr. Bean

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    Idk what you’re implying but I’m not some cryptophile or Ron Paul libertarian

    for those of us having a hard time putting together half a mil in cash to buy a house, it’s clear a decade of QE was not a policy that would help *us* build a comfortable economic life in this country
     
  29. Lyrtch

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    now THAT is an administrative state problem, local control of housing regs is a far bigger culprit than QE (whether it's a problem at all)

    and the racist history of said housing regs that made them even easier to gulp down for regular folks
     
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  30. Lyrtch

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    not the thread though really i just hate the seeming consensus on the fed among younger folks that doesn't hold up to a stiff breeze
     
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  31. Z

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    No, the Democratic Party base is well represented by Jim Clyburn, and most of the Democrats who post here hate him.
     
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  32. Whammy

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    Performance art…hitting all the talking points, well done
     
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  33. Redav

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    You can't substantively believe in things. It's just performance art.
     
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  34. kennypowers

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    :pffft::pffft::pffft::pffft::pffft:
     
  35. dblplay1212

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    Late on this, but Kemp being cast as a moderate really points to how insane the Republican party has become. But people like Whammy think it's the left that's gone too far.
     
  36. dblplay1212

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    What are "conservative values"?
     
  37. drewru

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    He could go the LBJ route. Which I think is the most realistic possibility.
     
  38. Whammy

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    Using the same handful of rhetorical devices even if they don’t fit reveals a hollow belief system IMO
     
  39. Montclaire de Haviland

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    I still dream that maybe Bernie as another in him. He's old but he isn't out of touch because he's been saying the same shit for 40 years. Unless like folks wake up and get that, it doesn't matter.
     
  40. dblplay1212

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    Wait, you're mad about someone wanting to dissolve a court that has an absolutely ridiculous way of being picked and Dems not being upset over it? The whole thing is dumb. I don't care what some slave owners wrote 200 years ago. It was stupid then and it's stupid now. 8 unelected people shouldn't be setting the laws of the land. 3 of them were picked by a Potus that lost the popular vote. The whole thing is stupid.

    Oh get rid of the electoral college too.

    Thanks.
     
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  41. leroi

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    biden has definitely exceeded my expectations, but i want to see someone younger run

    like elizabeth warren
     
  42. leroi

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    sometimes i go on the wsj comment section just to see the conniption fits about JOE BIDEN and all his heinous crimes against humanity
     
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  43. leroi

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    this is a curious collection

    at least one of these things is a crime

    others are just common sense
     
  44. CUgator

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    what?
     
  45. leroi

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    did u have questions
     
  46. Taques

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    i will run for president and win very easily
     
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  47. dblplay1212

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  48. seanofthedead86

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    How low was the bar for him to exceed expectations?
     
  49. GoS

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    I do not want to cape for whammy at all but I assume he means that clamoring for dismantling the court is some unicorn and rainbows horseshit that will never happen (and it won’t ever happen)

    no matter how shitty they become (assumes they can get worse, which is…debatable)
     
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  50. leroi

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    fairly low. i didn't vote for him in the primaries, and i kind of dreaded the idea of him being president. listening to him talk is painful.

    but as far as the job goes - from what i can tell he hasn't fucked anything up too badly. i get the impression that he listens to people who are experts in their area. he's not very smart, but the choices he's made as executive branch leader have generally been pretty good.